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Thinking about FOSS, legal advice, and pro bono legal support.

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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

    Thinking about FOSS, legal advice, and pro bono legal support.

    What if there was a fund - be that from a funding body, or donations, or whatever - which paid (at reasonable rates, not Big Law Firm Prices) some lawyers to support FOSS projects.

    So that it was free at point of use for those projects, but did not rely on lawyers working for free.

    All outputs (subject to sorting issues to do with privilege) would be licensed under suitably open terms, with a goal of maximising re-use.

    #FOSS #lawfedi

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    Part of this pondering came from the Sovereign Tech Fund "Fellowship" scheme:

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    Where the focus is not on a particular technical deliverable, but on supporting FOSS more broadly, recognising that there's more to it than just lines of code.

    This just seems like common sense to me πŸ™‚

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      Thinking about FOSS, legal advice, and pro bono legal support.

      What if there was a fund - be that from a funding body, or donations, or whatever - which paid (at reasonable rates, not Big Law Firm Prices) some lawyers to support FOSS projects.

      So that it was free at point of use for those projects, but did not rely on lawyers working for free.

      All outputs (subject to sorting issues to do with privilege) would be licensed under suitably open terms, with a goal of maximising re-use.

      #FOSS #lawfedi

      sturmsucht@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @neil pro bono or bro bono? what ever it is, it's a wonderful idea!

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      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

        Part of this pondering came from the Sovereign Tech Fund "Fellowship" scheme:

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        Sovereign Tech Fellowship | Sovereign Tech Agency

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        Sovereign Tech Agency (www.sovereign.tech)

        Where the focus is not on a particular technical deliverable, but on supporting FOSS more broadly, recognising that there's more to it than just lines of code.

        This just seems like common sense to me πŸ™‚

        renchap@oisaur.comR This user is from outside of this forum
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        @neil you should reach out to the STA and/or the brand new Digital Commons EDIC (https://digital-commons-edic.eu) to see if they are interested, that would be very useful

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          @simonzerafa Not as it stands, no. I'm not aware of anyone doing quite what I have in mind (UK or elsewhere).

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          @neil

          What sort of funding level would this need?

          Just wondering were we might be able to get funding from πŸ˜‰

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          • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

            @neil

            What sort of funding level would this need?

            Just wondering were we might be able to get funding from πŸ˜‰

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            @simonzerafa

            It would depend on how many projects wanted how much legal advice, really!

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            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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              @josh I doubt it too, but that's no reason not to think about such things.

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              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                Thinking about FOSS, legal advice, and pro bono legal support.

                What if there was a fund - be that from a funding body, or donations, or whatever - which paid (at reasonable rates, not Big Law Firm Prices) some lawyers to support FOSS projects.

                So that it was free at point of use for those projects, but did not rely on lawyers working for free.

                All outputs (subject to sorting issues to do with privilege) would be licensed under suitably open terms, with a goal of maximising re-use.

                #FOSS #lawfedi

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                @neil Linkup with student lawyers on CS/data/ip couses for lawyers? Paging @mikarv ??
                cf law clinics by students

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  Thinking about FOSS, legal advice, and pro bono legal support.

                  What if there was a fund - be that from a funding body, or donations, or whatever - which paid (at reasonable rates, not Big Law Firm Prices) some lawyers to support FOSS projects.

                  So that it was free at point of use for those projects, but did not rely on lawyers working for free.

                  All outputs (subject to sorting issues to do with privilege) would be licensed under suitably open terms, with a goal of maximising re-use.

                  #FOSS #lawfedi

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                  @neil speaking as a @freecad maintainer, our problem is not really money. We have enough to pay a lawyer in case we need it, and smaller projects are much less likely to need a lawyer (you do that basically for heavier problems that involve money). Our main problem is actually to find local lawyers who know about FOSS and are willing to work in that context. The few that do are mostly expensive international firms...

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                  • yorik@mastodon.socialY yorik@mastodon.social

                    @neil speaking as a @freecad maintainer, our problem is not really money. We have enough to pay a lawyer in case we need it, and smaller projects are much less likely to need a lawyer (you do that basically for heavier problems that involve money). Our main problem is actually to find local lawyers who know about FOSS and are willing to work in that context. The few that do are mostly expensive international firms...

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                    @yorik

                    Yes, sure, finding specialist lawyers can be challenging.

                    We do exist, but there are not a lot of us.

                    I help a range of projects, of different sizes, and I don't agree that only big projects can benefit from legal advice.

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                    • annehargreaves@ioc.exchangeA annehargreaves@ioc.exchange

                      @neil Linkup with student lawyers on CS/data/ip couses for lawyers? Paging @mikarv ??
                      cf law clinics by students

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                      @annehargreaves @mikarv Law clinics are amazing, and take a lot of supervision!

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                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                        @yorik

                        Yes, sure, finding specialist lawyers can be challenging.

                        We do exist, but there are not a lot of us.

                        I help a range of projects, of different sizes, and I don't agree that only big projects can benefit from legal advice.

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                        @neil Of course not, legal advice is meant to be for everybody, but speaking from experience, most legal matters flew over our heads before we got (more or less πŸ˜…) organized into an org. The project was really just a github repo and an amount of people working on it but not really legally responsible nor willing to be. But maybe indeed that's a grey zone that would do better if some support or consultancy was available

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                          @simonzerafa

                          It would depend on how many projects wanted how much legal advice, really!

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                          @neil
                          Do you see it working like a FLOSS legal grant fund or more of an organisation that has lawyers on staff that work for the various projects that apply for help?
                          @simonzerafa

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