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  3. The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”.

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  • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

    The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

    A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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    @mullvadnet @paul_ipv6
    I can’t say I understand this technology very well but as far as I do, it seems like people would just use a VPN in order to avoid being punished for using a VPN wouldn’t they?

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    • 2something@transfem.social2 2something@transfem.social

      @greatlaketrout@noc.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online

      But you can actually kill someone with a hammer, much more easily than you can kill someone with a VPN. The UK Government is more afraid of words and communication than they are of
      deadly weapons.

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      @2something @mullvadnet

      They are acting with extreme duplicity. Day one thing ( we support online privacy and the right of the individual to control their data) oh but by the way the laws we pass are going to destroy online privacy and the right for people to control their own data.

      Asshats one and all.

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      • 0daytux@infosec.exchange0 0daytux@infosec.exchange

        @Kierkegaanks @mullvadnet if only mosley could see this he’d be so proud he’d shed a tear

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        @0dayTux @Kierkegaanks @mullvadnet don't worry Mosley is getting plenty rich of this.

        Or rather his grandson is.

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        • project1enigma@chaos.socialP project1enigma@chaos.social

          @alexanderdyas @hypolite @mullvadnet

          It's not just IT specific. It's human rights/freedoms issues. But then the UK doesn't have much of a constitution that would be protected from simple parliament majorities IIRC?

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          @project1enigma @alexanderdyas @hypolite @mullvadnet the ECHR is relatively enshrined in so much as, yes, a simple majority could abandon it, but doing so would unravel a lot of other things and generally blow up relations with basically all of Europe except maybe Russia, so your have to be utterly off your rocker to try that.

          The three largest parties by polling all want to either tear up or substantially undermine the ECHR.

          Don't think any constitutional setup would protect us at this point…

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          • zbrown@floss.socialZ This user is from outside of this forum
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            @petealexharris @GlasWolf @mullvadnet yeah it's important to remember that, whilst yes trending-down-from-30% polling figures are kinda terrifying, it really doesn't translate to 30% seats at all, especially when unlike the LibDems they don't ‘know how to play the game’.

            It's still plausible enough they end up the largest seat bloc, or close to, but in practise an outright majority is unlikely — so it all come down to some sorta deal with the Tories most probably.

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            • zbrown@floss.socialZ zbrown@floss.social

              @petealexharris @GlasWolf @mullvadnet yeah it's important to remember that, whilst yes trending-down-from-30% polling figures are kinda terrifying, it really doesn't translate to 30% seats at all, especially when unlike the LibDems they don't ‘know how to play the game’.

              It's still plausible enough they end up the largest seat bloc, or close to, but in practise an outright majority is unlikely — so it all come down to some sorta deal with the Tories most probably.

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              #48

              @petealexharris @GlasWolf @mullvadnet and yeah, one can only hope people will be sensible enough before or after the election to come together as a democratic alliance and beat them to the Palace.

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              • alexanderdyas@mindly.socialA alexanderdyas@mindly.social

                @mullvadnet How on earth is this even enforceable?

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                @alexanderdyas @mullvadnet Yeah, I don’t get it. How is the government going to prevent people from downloading VPN software?

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                • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                  The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                  A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

                  wsa@rebel.arW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #50

                  @mullvadnet I challenge all of you to do something about it, you may thing that posting stuff online is enough, but you should be coordinated enough to rise against your own government in case v for vendetta fascism levels are present or some sort of pre-1984 fascism stages are met.

                  We have mesh networks, ESP8266, several IoT devices, vpns, yggdrasil protocol, E2EE, what is stoping you from coordinate and start social movements, are you all waiting to be on your knees with a boot?

                  I recommend reading books on subjectivity colonization.

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                  • sundew@beige.partyS sundew@beige.party

                    @nuwagaba2 @mullvadnet Both join, and vote for, the Green party.

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                    @sundew
                    That's great. But are people over there aware that they're being enslaved?

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                    • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                      The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                      A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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                      #52

                      @mullvadnet
                      Anyone must get #Tor ASAP.
                      I invite those who has a VPS to set up a #tornode
                      Ideally we shall also get #i2p but that's more complex to use

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                      • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                        The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                        A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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                        #53

                        @mullvadnet

                        I have already setup a Wireguard VPN on one over my VPS, no questions asked 😉

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                        • alexanderdyas@mindly.socialA alexanderdyas@mindly.social

                          @hypolite @mullvadnet There should be a civil service IT sanity department. It is politically neutral, staffed by people who actually have a clue. Proposals like this are submitted to this department and a simple response is returned, one of:

                          - Oh fuck off
                          - Needs a lot of work, re-submit
                          - Yeah, should be ok

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                          @hypolite @mullvadnet

                          One of the big problems is the 4 year election cycle, knowledge and real world experience don’t have much of a say when each successive government has its own ideas and wants to make a name for themselves.

                          That and shuffling politicians between posts, one month you’re head of transport for the whole country, the next you’re supposed to be responsible for the health service. Like you’re so competent you can manage such diverse areas with aplomb.

                          Also, a head in the sand approach to what works the best. An other country may have solved a particular problem but we can’t be seen to be adopting their great idea because we have to come up with it ourselves and ignore the received wisdom, spend years implementing it and finding out it doesn’t work when the work has already been done.

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                          • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                            @sundew
                            That's great. But are people over there aware that they're being enslaved?

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                            @nuwagaba2 @sundew UK here. mostly not.

                            what doesn't help is that, if we really do have a national personality trait, it's "grit your teeth and bear it". (compare to france where it's "set fire to cars until they stop".)

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                            • michaelgemar@mstdn.caM michaelgemar@mstdn.ca

                              @alexanderdyas @mullvadnet Yeah, I don’t get it. How is the government going to prevent people from downloading VPN software?

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                              #56

                              @michaelgemar @mullvadnet I guess they can hit the app market places, make VPN vendors comply by law. But that doesn’t cover side loading, non-mobile devices etc. Also as we’ve seen the identity verification systems are massively flawed and easily by-passed.

                              Like using a sieve to solve a leak.

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                                #57

                                @djstreethawk @hypolite @mullvadnet I say civil service, but I mean a non-partisan, expert organisation. Could be an academic institution.

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                                • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                                  The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                                  A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

                                  missnfranchised@glitterkitten.co.ukM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #58

                                  @mullvadnet Wait a sec, don’t online banks all use VPN’s? And most work from home setups?

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                                  • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

                                    @nuwagaba2 @sundew UK here. mostly not.

                                    what doesn't help is that, if we really do have a national personality trait, it's "grit your teeth and bear it". (compare to france where it's "set fire to cars until they stop".)

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                                    @fishidwardrobe
                                    What can open their eyes to see the reality?

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                                    • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                                      @fishidwardrobe
                                      What can open their eyes to see the reality?

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                                      #60

                                      @nuwagaba2 damned if i know. all the right-wing, billionaire-owned, nutcase newspapers starting a campaign against it, maybe?

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                                      • lemlems@mastodon.socialL lemlems@mastodon.social

                                        @mullvadnet

                                        Let me guess - the verification will be done by Palantir? Really not enjoying feeling like I’m living in Alan Moore’s fever dream

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                                        @mullvadnet@mastodon.online @Lemlems@mastodon.social obviously Peter Thiel's company, Persona. Zionists help Zionists after all
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