Ah Wayland and multi-monotor support.
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@JessTheUnstill yeah I brought up how dumb that was when it was planned like a year ago, and got told it slows adoption.
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Like, surely new install vs update is something package maintainers could plan for and adjust accordingly.@fennix I thought my upgrade broke something ... I mean I guess it did. It was just the upstream devs INTENDED breaking of my workflow.
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@JessTheUnstill yeah I brought up how dumb that was when it was planned like a year ago, and got told it slows adoption.
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Like, surely new install vs update is something package maintainers could plan for and adjust accordingly.@fennix I agree - I wouldn't be quite as annoyed if they changed the default on a clean install. But at least don't change the behavior on an upgrade ...
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In ADDITION, Gnome turned off middle click clipboard by default. I hate OSS devs sometimes.
@JessTheUnstill fedora be like: whoops things were too stable for a bit there, time to make linux on the desktop a huge pain in the ass again
I really need to get around to installing debian
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@JessTheUnstill fedora be like: whoops things were too stable for a bit there, time to make linux on the desktop a huge pain in the ass again
I really need to get around to installing debian
@Athena The trouble with Debian is shit is too stable. There's a bug in the way my notifications work in Plasma 6. It was fixed before Trixie was launched, but I'm gonna have to wait until the fourteenth Toy Story character update drops to see that fix.
Still better than Windows though.Also I feel you on the FOSS devs, @JessTheUnstill. Too much "I know what's good for you" and not enough "go nuts, you do you" in a lot of stuff these days.
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@JessTheUnstill fedora be like: whoops things were too stable for a bit there, time to make linux on the desktop a huge pain in the ass again
I really need to get around to installing debian
@Athena Oh this time I blame GNOME devs, not Fedora. They're just consuming upstream bad decisions.
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@Athena The trouble with Debian is shit is too stable. There's a bug in the way my notifications work in Plasma 6. It was fixed before Trixie was launched, but I'm gonna have to wait until the fourteenth Toy Story character update drops to see that fix.
Still better than Windows though.Also I feel you on the FOSS devs, @JessTheUnstill. Too much "I know what's good for you" and not enough "go nuts, you do you" in a lot of stuff these days.
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In ADDITION, Gnome turned off middle click clipboard by default. I hate OSS devs sometimes.
@JessTheUnstill this shit is so annoying for me because I use a KVM switch and I have to fuck around with cords so much to make the Linux side recognize the monitors. Things were way worse though about 2 years ago for me for driver reasons.
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@Athena Oh this time I blame GNOME devs, not Fedora. They're just consuming upstream bad decisions.
@JessTheUnstill @Athena I guess I'll stick with XFCE for a while longer then.
Last time I tried Wayland, I was getting about one frame per ten seconds just on the desktop.
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And Fedora 44 doesn't even let me downgrade back to X11 anymore... So now my Gnome-shell crashes out every time I either unplug my docking station or suspend my computer while multiple monitors are plugged in.
And it worked okay until 4/12 when I did a dnf update. So some package released early April to F43 fucked it up. And even upgrading to F44, and the damn thing is still fucked.
@JessTheUnstill please file a bug against gnome-shell. There are so many conditions to handle for multi-monitor stuff; people have been fixing them gradually.
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@JessTheUnstill please file a bug against gnome-shell. There are so many conditions to handle for multi-monitor stuff; people have been fixing them gradually.
@federicomena Tbh those mailing lists scare me.
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@federicomena Tbh those mailing lists scare me.
@federicomena Besides, this is my work computer, so I don't feel comfortable sending out core dumps and shit.
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@federicomena Besides, this is my work computer, so I don't feel comfortable sending out core dumps and shit.
@JessTheUnstill you can use gitlab.gnome.org and ask for how to provide useful info if you can't send core dumps. They'll probably iust require a few logs and diagnostics commands.
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Ah Wayland and multi-monotor support. How are you STILL so bad after all these years?
Are you really asking how https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Weyland_Corp is still bad?
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Are you really asking how https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Weyland_Corp is still bad?
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@JessTheUnstill ah sorry mine was meant to be a subtle joke but I reached too far and didn't land it.
Then I tried to make a joke comic to make up for it.
But I can't make that joke land either.
I'm suspecting it has to do with being too tired.
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@JessTheUnstill ah sorry mine was meant to be a subtle joke but I reached too far and didn't land it.
Then I tried to make a joke comic to make up for it.
But I can't make that joke land either.
I'm suspecting it has to do with being too tired.
@RoseRaven Ah I saw the joke but wasn't sure if you intended it as a joke or as confusion. I didn't recall what level of FOSS nerd you are
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@JessTheUnstill @Athena I guess I'll stick with XFCE for a while longer then.
Last time I tried Wayland, I was getting about one frame per ten seconds just on the desktop.
Openbox all the way...
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@JessTheUnstill fedora be like: whoops things were too stable for a bit there, time to make linux on the desktop a huge pain in the ass again
I really need to get around to installing debian
@Athena Funny, just switched from Debian to Fedora for the same reason.
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@Athena The trouble with Debian is shit is too stable. There's a bug in the way my notifications work in Plasma 6. It was fixed before Trixie was launched, but I'm gonna have to wait until the fourteenth Toy Story character update drops to see that fix.
Still better than Windows though.Also I feel you on the FOSS devs, @JessTheUnstill. Too much "I know what's good for you" and not enough "go nuts, you do you" in a lot of stuff these days.
@SymTrkl yeah I tried Debian before and had issues with that; at the point the world is at I can deal with slow updates and persistent bugs I think
If I need a new thingy that bad I’m fully capable of compiling the damn thing myself
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And Fedora 44 doesn't even let me downgrade back to X11 anymore... So now my Gnome-shell crashes out every time I either unplug my docking station or suspend my computer while multiple monitors are plugged in.
And it worked okay until 4/12 when I did a dnf update. So some package released early April to F43 fucked it up. And even upgrading to F44, and the damn thing is still fucked.
@JessTheUnstill This doesn't fix your immediate problem and would of course be disruptive, but I wanted to share that I have been using Fedora Silverblue on my work computer, and having two root filesystems where updates are applied to the offline one has been very useful, allowing rollback in the rare case an update breaks something eg. I attempted to update to Silverblue F44 on the day it came out, and M365 login was b0rken in gnome-online-accounts, so I filed a bug report, rolled back to the F43 image, and kept on working. There was something similar when some SecureBoot keys were updated a few years ago where I just needed to wait a few weeks until the upgrade instructions were updated, before I could keep rolling forward.
Of course the workflow change for an immutable system is that you have to get real comfortable with using toolbox or distrobox containers for development, and having dev tools in their own flatpak containers mean that LSPs or whatnot need to work inside the container, not the host, but I'm more appreciating the overall appliance-like nature and not needing to fiddle with things constantly to make them work that put me off Linux desktops and onto MacOS 20y ago.
It sucks that gnome-shell and the kernel are choking when hot-unplugging the docking station, and I hope the issue is fixed quickly for you and everyone having this issue.
