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  • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

    okay well that's a bonkers workaround: turn off the monitors before unplugging the dock. I hate this.

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    In ADDITION, Gnome turned off middle click clipboard by default. I hate OSS devs sometimes.

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    • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

      In ADDITION, Gnome turned off middle click clipboard by default. I hate OSS devs sometimes.

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      @JessTheUnstill yeah I brought up how dumb that was when it was planned like a year ago, and got told it slows adoption.

      Edit:
      Like, surely new install vs update is something package maintainers could plan for and adjust accordingly.

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      • fennix@infosec.spaceF fennix@infosec.space

        @JessTheUnstill yeah I brought up how dumb that was when it was planned like a year ago, and got told it slows adoption.

        Edit:
        Like, surely new install vs update is something package maintainers could plan for and adjust accordingly.

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        @fennix I thought my upgrade broke something ... I mean I guess it did. It was just the upstream devs INTENDED breaking of my workflow.

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        • fennix@infosec.spaceF fennix@infosec.space

          @JessTheUnstill yeah I brought up how dumb that was when it was planned like a year ago, and got told it slows adoption.

          Edit:
          Like, surely new install vs update is something package maintainers could plan for and adjust accordingly.

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          @fennix I agree - I wouldn't be quite as annoyed if they changed the default on a clean install. But at least don't change the behavior on an upgrade ...

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          • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

            In ADDITION, Gnome turned off middle click clipboard by default. I hate OSS devs sometimes.

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            @JessTheUnstill fedora be like: whoops things were too stable for a bit there, time to make linux on the desktop a huge pain in the ass again

            I really need to get around to installing debian

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            • athena@chaosfem.twA athena@chaosfem.tw

              @JessTheUnstill fedora be like: whoops things were too stable for a bit there, time to make linux on the desktop a huge pain in the ass again

              I really need to get around to installing debian

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              @Athena The trouble with Debian is shit is too stable. There's a bug in the way my notifications work in Plasma 6. It was fixed before Trixie was launched, but I'm gonna have to wait until the fourteenth Toy Story character update drops to see that fix.
              Still better than Windows though.

              Also I feel you on the FOSS devs, @JessTheUnstill. Too much "I know what's good for you" and not enough "go nuts, you do you" in a lot of stuff these days.

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              • athena@chaosfem.twA athena@chaosfem.tw

                @JessTheUnstill fedora be like: whoops things were too stable for a bit there, time to make linux on the desktop a huge pain in the ass again

                I really need to get around to installing debian

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                @Athena Oh this time I blame GNOME devs, not Fedora. They're just consuming upstream bad decisions.

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                • symtrkl@anarres.familyS symtrkl@anarres.family

                  @Athena The trouble with Debian is shit is too stable. There's a bug in the way my notifications work in Plasma 6. It was fixed before Trixie was launched, but I'm gonna have to wait until the fourteenth Toy Story character update drops to see that fix.
                  Still better than Windows though.

                  Also I feel you on the FOSS devs, @JessTheUnstill. Too much "I know what's good for you" and not enough "go nuts, you do you" in a lot of stuff these days.

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                  @SymTrkl @Athena far too much trying to be MacOS...

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                  • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                    In ADDITION, Gnome turned off middle click clipboard by default. I hate OSS devs sometimes.

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                    @JessTheUnstill this shit is so annoying for me because I use a KVM switch and I have to fuck around with cords so much to make the Linux side recognize the monitors. Things were way worse though about 2 years ago for me for driver reasons.

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                    • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                      @Athena Oh this time I blame GNOME devs, not Fedora. They're just consuming upstream bad decisions.

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                      @JessTheUnstill @Athena I guess I'll stick with XFCE for a while longer then.

                      Last time I tried Wayland, I was getting about one frame per ten seconds just on the desktop.

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                      • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                        And Fedora 44 doesn't even let me downgrade back to X11 anymore... So now my Gnome-shell crashes out every time I either unplug my docking station or suspend my computer while multiple monitors are plugged in.

                        And it worked okay until 4/12 when I did a dnf update. So some package released early April to F43 fucked it up. And even upgrading to F44, and the damn thing is still fucked.

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                        @JessTheUnstill please file a bug against gnome-shell. There are so many conditions to handle for multi-monitor stuff; people have been fixing them gradually.

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                        • federicomena@mstdn.mxF federicomena@mstdn.mx

                          @JessTheUnstill please file a bug against gnome-shell. There are so many conditions to handle for multi-monitor stuff; people have been fixing them gradually.

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                          @federicomena Tbh those mailing lists scare me.

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                          • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                            @federicomena Tbh those mailing lists scare me.

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                            @federicomena Besides, this is my work computer, so I don't feel comfortable sending out core dumps and shit.

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                            • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                              @federicomena Besides, this is my work computer, so I don't feel comfortable sending out core dumps and shit.

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                              @JessTheUnstill you can use gitlab.gnome.org and ask for how to provide useful info if you can't send core dumps. They'll probably iust require a few logs and diagnostics commands.

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                              • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                                Ah Wayland and multi-monotor support. How are you STILL so bad after all these years?

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                                @JessTheUnstill

                                Are you really asking how https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Weyland_Corp is still bad?

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                                • roseraven@eldritch.cafeR roseraven@eldritch.cafe

                                  @JessTheUnstill

                                  Are you really asking how https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Weyland_Corp is still bad?

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                                  @RoseRaven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(protocol)

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                                  • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                                    @RoseRaven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(protocol)

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                                    @JessTheUnstill ah sorry mine was meant to be a subtle joke but I reached too far and didn't land it.

                                    Then I tried to make a joke comic to make up for it.

                                    But I can't make that joke land either.

                                    I'm suspecting it has to do with being too tired.

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                                    • roseraven@eldritch.cafeR roseraven@eldritch.cafe

                                      @JessTheUnstill ah sorry mine was meant to be a subtle joke but I reached too far and didn't land it.

                                      Then I tried to make a joke comic to make up for it.

                                      But I can't make that joke land either.

                                      I'm suspecting it has to do with being too tired.

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                                      @RoseRaven Ah I saw the joke but wasn't sure if you intended it as a joke or as confusion. I didn't recall what level of FOSS nerd you are

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                                      • foolishowl@social.coopF foolishowl@social.coop

                                        @JessTheUnstill @Athena I guess I'll stick with XFCE for a while longer then.

                                        Last time I tried Wayland, I was getting about one frame per ten seconds just on the desktop.

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                                        Openbox all the way... 😒
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                                        • athena@chaosfem.twA athena@chaosfem.tw

                                          @JessTheUnstill fedora be like: whoops things were too stable for a bit there, time to make linux on the desktop a huge pain in the ass again

                                          I really need to get around to installing debian

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                                          @Athena Funny, just switched from Debian to Fedora for the same reason.

                                          @JessTheUnstill

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