Imagine if US voters had picked Kamala Harris.
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@knowprose @jztusk @Enea90 @randahl
you stepped in it so you will hear our response
if the dog shits in the kitchen, rubbing their noses in it is unproductive, but so is patiently explaining to a dog who does not speak the problem with shitting in the kitchen
at the very least, they learn from your angry frustrated expression when they see you see their shit
that is the language they understand
while endlessly coddling them means they just keep shitting in the kitchen and learn nothing
@benroyce @jztusk @Enea90 @randahl
Well. You want me, you got me. I asked politely to step out.
*rolls up newspaper*
Are you affecting anyone other than those who agree with you? Just value signaling?
Is that changing any minds?
No.
Is your value signaling alienating to people?
I imagine so.
No one is your dog.
I am not your dog.
You are not mine.
*puts down newspaper and walks away.*
Your move.
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Imagine if US voters had picked Kamala Harris. She would have continued the Ukraine weapons support, she would have kept the strong alliances with Europe, and she would never have killed the Iran nuclear deal.
Together we could have forced Putin out of Ukraine, there would have been no new, wider war in The Middle East, and the NATO alliance would have been stronger than ever. And in that situation, I think our economies would have been considerably stronger too.
Populism derailed all that.
@randahl Yes, but while she might eventually have listened to the public, she wasn't strong against Gaza, which is *SO* much worse than Trump declaring that they should speed up the genocide and definitely worth throwing away our entire democracy to prevent.
Well, that and the fact she might have been just generally competent instead of unleashing unhinged threats against corporations and other countries at random while trying to start WWIII. Who wouldn't want that? We're SO much better off!
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@nando161 @knowprose @Enea90 @randahl
must be nice to be so content while we slide to fascism
to see democracy vs fascism and see no difference is certainly one hell of a radioactive expression of profound stupidity or malice
is it that you don't care? or don't know?
or perhaps you prefer fascism, and hide behind high minded expressions of what is still essentially completely moronic bullshit while you cheer on your own doom?
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@nando161 @benroyce @knowprose @Enea90 @randahl I see you are quoting somebody here. But you live in Australia, so voting is mandatory, right?
Is there a way to opt out of the mandatory voting?
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@nando161 @knowprose @Enea90 @randahl
i wholeheartedly agree
we both understand that "yay! we beat #fascism! it's all over now!" is a fable for morons
yes: fascism is always with us, always was, and always will be
and so:
to maintain society you need to take out the trash every thursday
forever
you don't take out the trash once and then the problem of "trash" disappears
you have to #vote
always
it's simply a maintenance function
anyone who abandons that is guilty of us living in trash
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@randahl she would have carried on supporting Israel in its genocide though so that was unsupportable. The least bad is too bad when it includes genocidal Zionism.
As if Trump doesn't support Israel right now. You forget about the Board of Peace already?
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@kongakong @randahl you missed my point. Completely.
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Imagine if US voters had picked Kamala Harris. She would have continued the Ukraine weapons support, she would have kept the strong alliances with Europe, and she would never have killed the Iran nuclear deal.
Together we could have forced Putin out of Ukraine, there would have been no new, wider war in The Middle East, and the NATO alliance would have been stronger than ever. And in that situation, I think our economies would have been considerably stronger too.
Populism derailed all that.
@randahl "Populism" wtf
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@randahl populism is democracy. Kamala lost because she wasn’t popular. Democrats aren’t popular because they support elites, without the mechanism of cognitive dissonance that the Republicans employ. Democrats simply ask us to say This is Fine while the house burns. Republicans sic the plebes on the people who fight the fire starters. True populism is the solution to both of those, and also why we haven’t really seen it.
@classwario @randahl Think about what you just said. You're saying Democrats were unpopular because they supported things that the right supports. That's bad, yes, but... The "Republican" got the majority votes. Obviously there was a lot more going on then.
They lost because people who actually cared about trying to fix stuff were convinced at a mass scale that they shouldn't vote for her even if democracy would fall.
No matter how you look at it, she would have been better than Trump.
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@randahl "Populism" wtf
@tasket He didn't stutter.
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@randahl populism is democracy. Kamala lost because she wasn’t popular. Democrats aren’t popular because they support elites, without the mechanism of cognitive dissonance that the Republicans employ. Democrats simply ask us to say This is Fine while the house burns. Republicans sic the plebes on the people who fight the fire starters. True populism is the solution to both of those, and also why we haven’t really seen it.
@classwario @randahl "populism is democracy."
Oh, honey, no. Populism is resentment and score-settling and unrestrained id.
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@classwario @randahl Think about what you just said. You're saying Democrats were unpopular because they supported things that the right supports. That's bad, yes, but... The "Republican" got the majority votes. Obviously there was a lot more going on then.
They lost because people who actually cared about trying to fix stuff were convinced at a mass scale that they shouldn't vote for her even if democracy would fall.
No matter how you look at it, she would have been better than Trump.
@nazokiyoubinbou @randahl “Think about what you just said” is pedantic as fuck, son.
I didn’t say she would have been worse than Trump, to call attention to what you just said. I said populism is democracy.
The uninformed can be led around by their nose. The informed realize that the two parties Venn diagram overlay is most of a circle. Dems just ask you for a blind eye. GOP allows for anger, though it’s misled.
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@knowprose @jztusk @Enea90 @randahl
you stepped in it so you will hear our response
if the dog shits in the kitchen, rubbing their noses in it is unproductive, but so is patiently explaining to a dog who does not speak the problem with shitting in the kitchen
at the very least, they learn from your angry frustrated expression when they see you see their shit
that is the language they understand
while endlessly coddling them means they just keep shitting in the kitchen and learn nothing
@knowprose @jztusk @Enea90 @randahl
taran says "your move" then blocks me
fucking coward
that is all this noble "polite society" is: cowardice
"polite society" will let the most vicious lie pass unanswered
then come down angrily because someone said "fuckity fuck fuck" in response to said vicious lies
"polite society" "high road" nonsense is for the weak. they are the collaborators in bringing us to fascism
you need to fight taran
and you're not helping
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@nando161 @benroyce @knowprose @Enea90 @randahl I see you are quoting somebody here. But you live in Australia, so voting is mandatory, right?
Is there a way to opt out of the mandatory voting?
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@nazokiyoubinbou @randahl “Think about what you just said” is pedantic as fuck, son.
I didn’t say she would have been worse than Trump, to call attention to what you just said. I said populism is democracy.
The uninformed can be led around by their nose. The informed realize that the two parties Venn diagram overlay is most of a circle. Dems just ask you for a blind eye. GOP allows for anger, though it’s misled.
@classwario @randahl Oh there is a whole lot less overlap than you think. The Republican party has been moving further and further towards nazi-like ways for a long time.
The real issue is the Democratic party is, overall, a right party. But that doesn't mean they overlap. The Republican party is an ultra-far right party. Or was. By this last election they were an undisguised nazi party.
People still willfully chose not to vote against the greater evil.
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@classwario @randahl "populism is democracy."
Oh, honey, no. Populism is resentment and score-settling and unrestrained id.
What’s with all the cutesy “hon”, “think about what you just said” looking down approach? You doing well? Ivory tower not quite smelling the smoke from below yet?
Populism simply means anti elite. For leftists to use it as pejorative is akin to the right using socialism as a bellwether.
Populism is plurality.
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@classwario @randahl Oh there is a whole lot less overlap than you think. The Republican party has been moving further and further towards nazi-like ways for a long time.
The real issue is the Democratic party is, overall, a right party. But that doesn't mean they overlap. The Republican party is an ultra-far right party. Or was. By this last election they were an undisguised nazi party.
People still willfully chose not to vote against the greater evil.
@classwario @randahl And don't get me wrong. Having to vote for the lesser evil is utter crap. Dumpster full of diapers fire crap.
But the difference is clear: if people had voted for the Democrat, she would have at least listened on some issues and done some good. If people voted for the Republican he would destroy our democracy and ensure we could never vote again.
He didn't win by popularity. He won by mass campaigns to trick people to apply two sets of rules.
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@classwario @randahl Oh there is a whole lot less overlap than you think. The Republican party has been moving further and further towards nazi-like ways for a long time.
The real issue is the Democratic party is, overall, a right party. But that doesn't mean they overlap. The Republican party is an ultra-far right party. Or was. By this last election they were an undisguised nazi party.
People still willfully chose not to vote against the greater evil.
@nazokiyoubinbou @randahl I don’t disagree with you. I also said the share is a circle. So maybe not more than I think?
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@nazokiyoubinbou @randahl I don’t disagree with you. I also said the share is a circle. So maybe not more than I think?
@classwario @randahl And... I'm saying it's not...
The Democrats aren't a left party. We do agree on that part. But the supposed overlap is a lot less than you think because the Republican party is not merely right. They're ultra-far right "let's kidnap people off the streets and throw them into concentration camps."
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@classwario @randahl And don't get me wrong. Having to vote for the lesser evil is utter crap. Dumpster full of diapers fire crap.
But the difference is clear: if people had voted for the Democrat, she would have at least listened on some issues and done some good. If people voted for the Republican he would destroy our democracy and ensure we could never vote again.
He didn't win by popularity. He won by mass campaigns to trick people to apply two sets of rules.
@nazokiyoubinbou @randahl was still popularity, though. A two party system makes a 1 degree swing actionable in elections, so of course there was more in play. But the dems are playing the same game. And, yes, 2024 was a monumental failure of popularity for the “left”
