in a class on using AI for data analysis and i genuinely don't want to work in information technology anymore.
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@peter All I can say as a 30-year tech participant, is I agree with you about the current state of things, and I believe there is still a foundation of principled work out there. Some people really want it and care about it; there's just a huge amount of noise overshadowing those people right now. I truly believe it's temporary, but I also sympathize with anyone moving to work outside the industry. I've had similar thoughts myself.
@coreysnipes @peter Unless we take action this isn’t temporary. It will be the permanent state of affairs.
We must destroy AI and the criminal organizations that are creating it. And by AI I meanmean this LLM based stochastic parrot bullshit.
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just fucking dark. everything is so dark right now.
@peter it’s pretty bleak.
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just fucking dark. everything is so dark right now.
i couldn't take it any more. i quit tech six months ago and now i drive a city bus. best decision ever. i've never been happier or healthier.
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@coreysnipes I'm trying to get into the industry and now about to give up. my kid is 16 and wants to study computer engineering, I hope his timing is right.
@peter @coreysnipes
I think you're screwed. I've spoken to hiring managers whose first question is "how much do you spend on tokens per month?" There are people hiring for non-AI jobs, but they want experience from before these dark times.
An actual computer engineering degree may be valuable in the future, I certainly hope it will, we will need to engineer our way out of this pit, but it's not a great bet. -
@dpflug @CosmickTrigger @violetmadder @peter and hope the sun has an episode soon so it matters.
@daedalean
...what? I don't follow.
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@coreysnipes I'm trying to get into the industry and now about to give up. my kid is 16 and wants to study computer engineering, I hope his timing is right.
@peter If I may. AI isn't the first time we get some "magic tooling that is doing a lot of work and users that don't understand the basics" (see Angular students that aren't capable to center a div without a npm package). It didn't broke our field. It's just another "layer of abstraction".
Don't give up and keep learning, good developers are (and will be) still needed, and rare. And it seems you have the good mindset.
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@violetmadder
Does he need a webhost or something?
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i couldn't take it any more. i quit tech six months ago and now i drive a city bus. best decision ever. i've never been happier or healthier.
@saltywizard @peter I'm seriously thinking about doing exactly this too.
How difficult was the bus driver training?
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in a class on using AI for data analysis and i genuinely don't want to work in information technology anymore. none of this shit works and everyone is required to use it anyway. it sounds like hell. i would literally rather flip burgers or whatever.
@peter Ugh. I've been in web dev for 20 years. Just got laid off. Can't get a job. Because no one wants people to do that work on their own anymore, not without AI. Was looking into data analysis training for a career "change," but yeah, AI is effing that up too. All I can say is, the more you know/learn, the easier things will be for you in the long run. Sadly, it's looking more like a marathon than a 5K fun run. Whatever you decide to do, I wish you well and happiness.
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@saltywizard @peter I'm seriously thinking about doing exactly this too.
How difficult was the bus driver training?
i found it to be very easy. the testing process for the cdl was very similar to the process for many of the qualifications i achieved in the navy, so it was 'familiar' to me. the others in my class struggled a touch more, not having had that experience, but in the end, everyone passed. i imagine it really comes down to the quality of your instructors.
despite having 'driven' large ships at sea, driving the bus for the first time was a bit intimidating. you take up the entire lane, there is very little wiggle room. but, after a month of practice, i feel quite confident behind the wheel.
it's a great job. i expect i'll enjoy doing it for a good while. someday, i'd like to try driving the lightrail.
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@coreysnipes I'm trying to get into the industry and now about to give up. my kid is 16 and wants to study computer engineering, I hope his timing is right.
@peter Maybe they could pivot to hardware/electrical eng? More pragmatic skills seem like a much better bet these days. Even if society goes down in flames we'll need people who can salvage a circuit board.
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just fucking dark. everything is so dark right now.
@peter i know it’s not worth much, but if you put up an interesting data analysis, I want to see it. And I want to hear how you thought about it and went about it.
There is so much data can tell us about our world and I still want to hear about it.
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i found it to be very easy. the testing process for the cdl was very similar to the process for many of the qualifications i achieved in the navy, so it was 'familiar' to me. the others in my class struggled a touch more, not having had that experience, but in the end, everyone passed. i imagine it really comes down to the quality of your instructors.
despite having 'driven' large ships at sea, driving the bus for the first time was a bit intimidating. you take up the entire lane, there is very little wiggle room. but, after a month of practice, i feel quite confident behind the wheel.
it's a great job. i expect i'll enjoy doing it for a good while. someday, i'd like to try driving the lightrail.
@saltywizard @peter Thanks. That's good to hear.
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in a class on using AI for data analysis and i genuinely don't want to work in information technology anymore. none of this shit works and everyone is required to use it anyway. it sounds like hell. i would literally rather flip burgers or whatever.
@peter The people who play with that fire will get burnt, and burn victims pay a premium to never get burned again.
Edit: burn burnt burned
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in a class on using AI for data analysis and i genuinely don't want to work in information technology anymore. none of this shit works and everyone is required to use it anyway. it sounds like hell. i would literally rather flip burgers or whatever.
@peter I retired from IT 8 years ago and I’m SO glad I did. Even then there was a push to treat software engineers as factory workers and not engineers. The current situation is far worse.
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feels like the worst time to be alive if you are the kind of person who is passionate about learning to do things the right way.
@peter sounds like you work at an MSP
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