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  • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

    @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

    How very clever. You are comparing apples to herrings.

    If somebody dies from illness in their own or hospital bed, it very seldom is news. Usually no need to be.

    If somebody is killed in a terrorism act or murdered, it normally is news. And for a reason.

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    @Trifolium What reason? Sensationalism? Terror and murder go on all over the world, the reporting of it is entirely political. While stroke risk, which is a HUGE problem, and is EASY to fix, gets NOTHING.

    Stop talking and start thinking that you might be part of the problem.

    @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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    • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

      @SnowyCA @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

      Pray tell then what you think is the point.

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      @Trifolium
      The point is this:
      There was a time when the media gave us facts not sensationalism...I'm old enough to remember those days.

      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

        What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

        by @ourworldindata

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        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Suicide goes up with newspaper coverage so Nytimes can be added to the list of causes of death.

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

          strokes are high blood pressure so same as heart disease

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          @benroyce @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata strokes are due to blood clots forming and migrating to the brain where the circulatory system becomes to small to pass them so the parts of the brain where the obstruction occurs are starved of oxygen.
          Yes strokes occur more commonly in people with high blood pressure but not exclusively.

          "High blood pressure is the biggest single risk factor for stroke. It plays a part in about half of all strokes."

          ERROR: The request could not be satisfied

          favicon

          (www.stroke.org.uk)

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          • marjolica@social.linux.pizzaM marjolica@social.linux.pizza

            @benroyce @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata strokes are due to blood clots forming and migrating to the brain where the circulatory system becomes to small to pass them so the parts of the brain where the obstruction occurs are starved of oxygen.
            Yes strokes occur more commonly in people with high blood pressure but not exclusively.

            "High blood pressure is the biggest single risk factor for stroke. It plays a part in about half of all strokes."

            ERROR: The request could not be satisfied

            favicon

            (www.stroke.org.uk)

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            @marjolica @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

            oh yeah

            thank you for the correction

            a scary medical scenario is quickly figuring out if it is an ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke (blockage or bleeding)

            and often the treatment for each makes things worse if they diagnose the wrong one

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            • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

              What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

              by @ourworldindata

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              @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

              A Fox News column would have a 66% "wokeness" band. 🙄

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              • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

                @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                How very clever. You are comparing apples to herrings.

                If somebody dies from illness in their own or hospital bed, it very seldom is news. Usually no need to be.

                If somebody is killed in a terrorism act or murdered, it normally is news. And for a reason.

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                @Trifolium

                The point is not that the bias isn't understandable. The point is the impact of the disproportionate coverage.

                @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                  What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                  by @ourworldindata

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                  #60

                  @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
                  No reports (or data collection?) for climate change - floods, fires, heat stroke, cold. Watch this space!

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                  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                    What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

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                    @infobeautiful @ourworldindata https://climatejustice.social/@wavesculptor/116094259926360074

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                    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                      What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

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                      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata y are whites easily affected by heart disease and strokes the last time I took a trip to Africa i saw someone with heart diseases it was called an abomination there

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                      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                        What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                        by @ourworldindata

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                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@filiph/115332196437726090

                        @infobeautiful please edit your post to include the source page.

                        The source was in this post from @filiph :

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                        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                          What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                          by @ourworldindata

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                          @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Can you differentiate between "domestic homicide" and "femicide" when discussing homicide offenses? Or is femicide not a recognized crime in the US?

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                            i don't know but i would say that some of those COVID deaths should be classified as homicide or suicide

                            people who died of COVID who did everything right but were betrayed by a MAGA moron who introduced the disease into their life and killed them

                            and MAGA morons who essentially committed suicide by COVID because they took no precautions and imagined their prideful ignorance was a magic shield, or just didn't care if they died

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                            @benroyce @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
                            "and imagined their prideful ignorance was a magic shield"
                            Incredibile.

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                            • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                              What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                              by @ourworldindata

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                              #66

                              @infobeautiful 1% of the people getting 60% of the attention, you say?

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                              • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                by @ourworldindata

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                                @infobeautiful @ourworldindata SMFH

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                                • mloxton@med-mastodon.comM mloxton@med-mastodon.com

                                  @benroyce
                                  In one specific and very real case that I know personally, killing Grandpa.
                                  Which also led to a spiral in Grandma, and her death a year later.

                                  @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                                  @mloxton 🫂 that's horrible.

                                  @benroyce @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                                  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                    What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                    by @ourworldindata

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                                    #69

                                    @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Heart disease doesn't generate clicks.

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                                    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                      What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                      by @ourworldindata

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                                      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Heart disease isn't sexy

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                                      • bot_anix@nrw.socialB bot_anix@nrw.social

                                        @benroyce @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
                                        "and imagined their prideful ignorance was a magic shield"
                                        Incredibile.

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                                        @Bot_Anix @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                        there's stories, not isolated stories, common stories, from nurses and doctors, of MAGA types, in hospitals during COVID, well on their way to death, crying that they don't want to die, and that they will take the vaccine now

                                        and it has to be explained to them that it is far too late for a vaccine

                                        and then they die like that

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                                        • tokphobia@mastodon.socialT tokphobia@mastodon.social

                                          @PattyHanson @infobeautiful @ourworldindata that's not exactly what the graph is about. The media isn't claiming that 18% of deaths are terrorism. Instead, reporting about terrorism deaths makes up about 18% of all reporting on deaths. In other words, the media *talks* a lot about terrorism deaths, but it doesn't *claim* that those deaths make up 18% of the total.

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                                          @tokphobia @PattyHanson @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Because the news is about what is new. Disease, whether chronic or infectious, has been with humanity since we were living in the trees in Africa. Disease makes news when there's a new treatment or when we learn something about it that we didn't know before. Homicide as a category isn't new either, but each individual homicide *is*, and the relative rarity compared to "natural" causes of death is what makes each individual event newsworthy.

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