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What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

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  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

    What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

    by @ourworldindata

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    #41

    @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
    In J-School, first-year students learn the definition of news with the difference between the 'Dog bites man' and 'Man bites dog' headlines. The above is also a great representation. The uninitiated would confuse newsworthiness with perception of importance, as evidenced by the conspiracists (U.S. folks?) in this commentary.

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    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

      What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

      by @ourworldindata

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      #42

      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata I would love to see a similar graphic designed to add one or more comparison countries. E.g., if Canada was added the rates of Heart disease and cancer are probably similar to US, and probably equally ignored in media...

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      • D drorbedrack@mastodon.social

        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata I get what this is saying, but isnt this the old "man bites dog" issue?
        Of course the media will report sensational, extraordinary things. This is what people want to hear about.
        It's also easier when there are clear villains and victims, and not something abstract like economic forces, infrastructure, or lifestyle.

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        @DrorBedrack @infobeautiful @ourworldindata my thoughts exactly. The news reports on things that are, well, newsworthy. It's worth noting that, according to the chart, COVID deaths were 2% of the deaths, but 5% of the reporting. It's almost like there was something worth reporting on at the time!

        News media sucks in lots of ways, but "death-related reporting doesn't accurately reflect causes of deaths" is not one of them.

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        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

          What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

          by @ourworldindata

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          #44

          This is why I always tell people to follow the data, not the headlines

          Media optimizes for clicks and emotional reactions. Reality optimizes for... reality

          The gap between what we THINK kills people and what ACTUALLY kills people explains so much about how we allocate resources, funding, and attention as a society

          Heart disease quietly takes out more people than anything on the front page, but it does not generate engagement so it stays invisible

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @mloxton @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

            killing grandma for the orange god

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            @benroyce
            In one specific and very real case that I know personally, killing Grandpa.
            Which also led to a spiral in Grandma, and her death a year later.

            @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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            • mloxton@med-mastodon.comM mloxton@med-mastodon.com

              @benroyce
              In one specific and very real case that I know personally, killing Grandpa.
              Which also led to a spiral in Grandma, and her death a year later.

              @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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              #46

              @mloxton @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata 😔

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              • mloxton@med-mastodon.comM mloxton@med-mastodon.com

                @benroyce
                In one specific and very real case that I know personally, killing Grandpa.
                Which also led to a spiral in Grandma, and her death a year later.

                @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                I also want to pause to observe, once again, how absolutely fucking insane it was that instead of masking up, avoiding crowds, and sticking to a sanitary regime, many of these people rushed out to buy guns instead. Because in their folklore, the biggest danger wasn't a disease, but brown people coming to steal their stash of jerky and bourbon

                @benroyce @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

                  @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                  How very clever. You are comparing apples to herrings.

                  If somebody dies from illness in their own or hospital bed, it very seldom is news. Usually no need to be.

                  If somebody is killed in a terrorism act or murdered, it normally is news. And for a reason.

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                  #48

                  @Trifolium nope--you are missing the point. @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                    What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                    by @ourworldindata

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                    #49

                    @infobeautiful @ourworldindata @franceinfo
                    Peut-on avoir la même analyse en France. Media publique versus Bolloré group. #FranceInfo

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                    • snowyca@social.vivaldi.netS snowyca@social.vivaldi.net

                      @Trifolium nope--you are missing the point. @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                      @SnowyCA @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                      Pray tell then what you think is the point.

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

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                        strokes are high blood pressure so same as heart disease

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                        @benroyce @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata also a high sodium diet is a strong stroke risk, and guess what else they pump into our food?

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                        • wyatt_h_knott@vermont.masto.hostW wyatt_h_knott@vermont.masto.host

                          @benroyce @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata also a high sodium diet is a strong stroke risk, and guess what else they pump into our food?

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                          @Wyatt_H_Knott @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                          ✅

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                          • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

                            @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                            How very clever. You are comparing apples to herrings.

                            If somebody dies from illness in their own or hospital bed, it very seldom is news. Usually no need to be.

                            If somebody is killed in a terrorism act or murdered, it normally is news. And for a reason.

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                            @Trifolium What reason? Sensationalism? Terror and murder go on all over the world, the reporting of it is entirely political. While stroke risk, which is a HUGE problem, and is EASY to fix, gets NOTHING.

                            Stop talking and start thinking that you might be part of the problem.

                            @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                            • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

                              @SnowyCA @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                              Pray tell then what you think is the point.

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                              @Trifolium
                              The point is this:
                              There was a time when the media gave us facts not sensationalism...I'm old enough to remember those days.

                              @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                              • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                by @ourworldindata

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                                @infobeautiful @ourworldindata Suicide goes up with newspaper coverage so Nytimes can be added to the list of causes of death.

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                  strokes are high blood pressure so same as heart disease

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                                  @benroyce @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata strokes are due to blood clots forming and migrating to the brain where the circulatory system becomes to small to pass them so the parts of the brain where the obstruction occurs are starved of oxygen.
                                  Yes strokes occur more commonly in people with high blood pressure but not exclusively.

                                  "High blood pressure is the biggest single risk factor for stroke. It plays a part in about half of all strokes."

                                  ERROR: The request could not be satisfied

                                  favicon

                                  (www.stroke.org.uk)

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                                  • marjolica@social.linux.pizzaM marjolica@social.linux.pizza

                                    @benroyce @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata strokes are due to blood clots forming and migrating to the brain where the circulatory system becomes to small to pass them so the parts of the brain where the obstruction occurs are starved of oxygen.
                                    Yes strokes occur more commonly in people with high blood pressure but not exclusively.

                                    "High blood pressure is the biggest single risk factor for stroke. It plays a part in about half of all strokes."

                                    ERROR: The request could not be satisfied

                                    favicon

                                    (www.stroke.org.uk)

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                                    @marjolica @admin @PizzaDemon @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                    oh yeah

                                    thank you for the correction

                                    a scary medical scenario is quickly figuring out if it is an ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke (blockage or bleeding)

                                    and often the treatment for each makes things worse if they diagnose the wrong one

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                                    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                      What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                      by @ourworldindata

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                                      @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                      A Fox News column would have a 66% "wokeness" band. 🙄

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                                      • trifolium@c.imT trifolium@c.im

                                        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

                                        How very clever. You are comparing apples to herrings.

                                        If somebody dies from illness in their own or hospital bed, it very seldom is news. Usually no need to be.

                                        If somebody is killed in a terrorism act or murdered, it normally is news. And for a reason.

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                                        @Trifolium

                                        The point is not that the bias isn't understandable. The point is the impact of the disproportionate coverage.

                                        @infobeautiful @ourworldindata

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                                        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                          What Americans die from vs. what's reported in the media

                                          by @ourworldindata

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                                          @infobeautiful @ourworldindata
                                          No reports (or data collection?) for climate change - floods, fires, heat stroke, cold. Watch this space!

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