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  3. There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

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  • nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social

    @boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?

    No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.

    This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...

    nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #30

    @boo_ @benroyce (BTW I'm not being sarcastic. If you know of anything else I can use I'd be super grateful. The main catch is it has to be able to handle those stupid "give us your email address or we won't release the rest of the article" popups.)

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    • nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social

      @boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?

      No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.

      This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...

      boo_@im-in.spaceB This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #31

      @nazokiyoubinbou @benroyce

      Yeah, I don't think there really is an alternative yet, but I just thought it'd be worth mentioning so people know the potential risks given the history of the site and are able to make informed decisions about whether to use it. The DDOS thing is not something you'd know unless you read about it or checked your browser console, for example.

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      • boo_@im-in.spaceB boo_@im-in.space

        @nazokiyoubinbou @benroyce

        Yeah, I don't think there really is an alternative yet, but I just thought it'd be worth mentioning so people know the potential risks given the history of the site and are able to make informed decisions about whether to use it. The DDOS thing is not something you'd know unless you read about it or checked your browser console, for example.

        nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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        #32

        @boo_ @benroyce Well, I think a lot of us heard about Wikipedia banning them. That was kind of big.

        I'm mostly using them for crapsites like Washington Post that deserve to see as few accesses as possible (and better still, for those to be to something like that instead of to an actual user.) Actually... if they wanted to DDoS washington post I think I might just look the other way... 🤫

        (Like even if they serve Russia, frankly WP serves Russia too...)

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

          Look at this fucking shit:

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          #33

          @benroyce... that headline is absolutely not true.

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

            Look at this fucking shit:

            heathermj@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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            #34

            @benroyce Some may be safer and richer, many will die

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            • nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social

              @boo_ @benroyce Well, I think a lot of us heard about Wikipedia banning them. That was kind of big.

              I'm mostly using them for crapsites like Washington Post that deserve to see as few accesses as possible (and better still, for those to be to something like that instead of to an actual user.) Actually... if they wanted to DDoS washington post I think I might just look the other way... 🤫

              (Like even if they serve Russia, frankly WP serves Russia too...)

              boo_@im-in.spaceB This user is from outside of this forum
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              #35

              @nazokiyoubinbou

              I'm not arguing against archiving the wp link at all and I just heard about the ban from Wikipedia yesterday, but you're right that it did happen a while ago.

              But the DDoSing allegations are not of excessive scraping, rather the site embedded malicious JS in the archived pages they served which DDoSed a third site unrelated to the one archived.

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              • boo_@im-in.spaceB boo_@im-in.space

                @nazokiyoubinbou

                I'm not arguing against archiving the wp link at all and I just heard about the ban from Wikipedia yesterday, but you're right that it did happen a while ago.

                But the DDoSing allegations are not of excessive scraping, rather the site embedded malicious JS in the archived pages they served which DDoSed a third site unrelated to the one archived.

                nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                #36

                @boo_ Gotcha.

                If by any chance you should run across some viable alternative and actually remember this conversation, please let me know. (But I wouldn't blame you if you'd forgotten by such a time. It's unlikely to be any time soon.)

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                  Look at this fucking shit:

                  brkloeckner@piaille.frB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #37

                  @benroyce Well, that is probably true (at least for the "richer" part), and remarkably honest, even in the short run. Of course, the important part is who is "us".

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                    Look at this fucking shit:

                    xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #38

                    @benroyce

                    Hitler also made a lot of money from sales of “Mein Kampf” during his reign…

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                      Look at this fucking shit:

                      worldtravelerall7@mastodon.worldW This user is from outside of this forum
                      worldtravelerall7@mastodon.worldW This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #39

                      @benroyce

                      oh, ffs, that is so nakedly grotesque😒 Bozos should have capitalized "Us" there. It would have been more honest

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                        Look at this fucking shit:

                        alterelefant@mastodontech.deA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #40

                        @benroyce
                        #DemocracyDiesInDarkness

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                        • xs4me2@mastodon.socialX xs4me2@mastodon.social

                          @benroyce

                          Hitler also made a lot of money from sales of “Mein Kampf” during his reign…

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                          #41

                          @xs4me2
                          Not the least because it was law to own one, or something along those lines.
                          @benroyce

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                            Look at this fucking shit:

                            choomba@social.tchncs.deC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #42

                            @benroyce But it's true. You just need to understand that the "us" in the headline refers to billionaires.

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                              Look at this fucking shit:

                              kingmoth@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #43

                              @benroyce The title should have been “In the long run, war make them safer and richer, and us poorer and dead”
                              And by them I meant peoples who stirred this s***t up for there own benefits.

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                              • alterelefant@mastodontech.deA alterelefant@mastodontech.de

                                @xs4me2
                                Not the least because it was law to own one, or something along those lines.
                                @benroyce

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                                #44

                                @alterelefant @benroyce

                                Indeed…

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                                  Look at this fucking shit:

                                  mustanzo@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #45

                                  @benroyce Fashington post spreading fashist lies... i.e. the stuff is going as expected since bezos bought it😞

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                                    Look at this fucking shit:

                                    chuls@mastodon.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #46

                                    @benroyce jesus christ

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                                      Look at this fucking shit:

                                      cardboardrobot@mstdn.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #47

                                      @benroyce Opinion: In the short run, eating billionaires is healthy for society.

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                                        Look at this fucking shit:

                                        uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.zaU This user is from outside of this forum
                                        uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.zaU This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #48

                                        @benroyce That headline prompts only one question: "Which 'us', specifically?"

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

                                          Look at this fucking shit:

                                          jdgeoshack@social.vivaldi.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #49

                                          @benroyce 🤢

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