There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons
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@benroyce Hey, he's got a point. Wars are the one reliable reason to extract and recirculate wealth hoarded by sillionaires that they're relatively powerless to lobby agains, and this recirculation of stagnant wealth can, indeed, make everybody richer.
Of course, we could be even safer and richer if we recirculated the stagnant money without having any wars.
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@benroyce No one wants to click. I don't blame any of you. Here is an archive.ph link: https://archive.ph/Uiu60
Apparently it was written by Ian Morris who claimed to be a professor at Stanford back in 2014. Also, apparently Obama is an illegal president. Or so it says.
Democracy dies in darkness alright — and they were at the forefront of trying to spread that darkness even back then.
Unrelated to the main topic but it's worth mentioning that archive.today have been doing some shady shit. I'd steer clear of them if for no other reason than to not risk being part of the botnet. Wikipedia recently banned them as a source because of that and them manipulating their archive.
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Unrelated to the main topic but it's worth mentioning that archive.today have been doing some shady shit. I'd steer clear of them if for no other reason than to not risk being part of the botnet. Wikipedia recently banned them as a source because of that and them manipulating their archive.
@boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?
No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.
This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...
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@boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?
No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.
This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...
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@boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?
No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.
This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...
Yeah, I don't think there really is an alternative yet, but I just thought it'd be worth mentioning so people know the potential risks given the history of the site and are able to make informed decisions about whether to use it. The DDOS thing is not something you'd know unless you read about it or checked your browser console, for example.
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Yeah, I don't think there really is an alternative yet, but I just thought it'd be worth mentioning so people know the potential risks given the history of the site and are able to make informed decisions about whether to use it. The DDOS thing is not something you'd know unless you read about it or checked your browser console, for example.
@boo_ @benroyce Well, I think a lot of us heard about Wikipedia banning them. That was kind of big.
I'm mostly using them for crapsites like Washington Post that deserve to see as few accesses as possible (and better still, for those to be to something like that instead of to an actual user.) Actually... if they wanted to DDoS washington post I think I might just look the other way... 🤫
(Like even if they serve Russia, frankly WP serves Russia too...)
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@benroyce... that headline is absolutely not true.
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@benroyce Some may be safer and richer, many will die
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@boo_ @benroyce Well, I think a lot of us heard about Wikipedia banning them. That was kind of big.
I'm mostly using them for crapsites like Washington Post that deserve to see as few accesses as possible (and better still, for those to be to something like that instead of to an actual user.) Actually... if they wanted to DDoS washington post I think I might just look the other way... 🤫
(Like even if they serve Russia, frankly WP serves Russia too...)
I'm not arguing against archiving the wp link at all and I just heard about the ban from Wikipedia yesterday, but you're right that it did happen a while ago.
But the DDoSing allegations are not of excessive scraping, rather the site embedded malicious JS in the archived pages they served which DDoSed a third site unrelated to the one archived.
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I'm not arguing against archiving the wp link at all and I just heard about the ban from Wikipedia yesterday, but you're right that it did happen a while ago.
But the DDoSing allegations are not of excessive scraping, rather the site embedded malicious JS in the archived pages they served which DDoSed a third site unrelated to the one archived.
@boo_ Gotcha.
If by any chance you should run across some viable alternative and actually remember this conversation, please let me know. (But I wouldn't blame you if you'd forgotten by such a time. It's unlikely to be any time soon.)
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@benroyce Well, that is probably true (at least for the "richer" part), and remarkably honest, even in the short run. Of course, the important part is who is "us".
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Hitler also made a lot of money from sales of “Mein Kampf” during his reign…
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oh, ffs, that is so nakedly grotesque
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Hitler also made a lot of money from sales of “Mein Kampf” during his reign…
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@benroyce But it's true. You just need to understand that the "us" in the headline refers to billionaires.
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@benroyce The title should have been “In the long run, war make them safer and richer, and us poorer and dead”
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Indeed…
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@benroyce Fashington post spreading fashist lies... i.e. the stuff is going as expected since bezos bought it
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@benroyce jesus christ
