There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons
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@benroyce if only there was a country that avoided wars for many years, we could then check if it’s much poorer as the surrounding ones.
I suppose a small neutral one in Europe that was poor in the 19th century could do the trick. Sadly that does not exist. -
@benroyce name and shame-- who wrote this?
@jamesmarshall @benroyce I don't blame you for not wanting to go to their site. Here's an archive.ph link: https://archive.ph/Uiu60
The author apparently is one Ian Morris claiming to be a professor at Stanford (I don't even have to look up this person's history to learn they were born into privilege do I?)
Interestingly this was written back in 2014 apparently. They were also running hit pieces against Obama.
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@benroyce No one wants to click. I don't blame any of you. Here is an archive.ph link: https://archive.ph/Uiu60
Apparently it was written by Ian Morris who claimed to be a professor at Stanford back in 2014. Also, apparently Obama is an illegal president. Or so it says.
Democracy dies in darkness alright — and they were at the forefront of trying to spread that darkness even back then.
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@benroyce Need I say more about why I pay virtually no attention to the mainstream US media?
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@benroyce Why cut out the yellow warning saying it is over 14 years old? It would still be relevant — but more honest.
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@benroyce my ancestors left Prussia and Alsace because people kept saying shit like this
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"I'm still amazed at how quickly Trump and Putin transformed the once proud and noble Party of Lincoln into just another simple rabble of seditious and treasonous playground bullies.
I'm not kidding, it really is startling and amazing. I mean my goodness, it only took two or three years."
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@benroyce Hey, he's got a point. Wars are the one reliable reason to extract and recirculate wealth hoarded by sillionaires that they're relatively powerless to lobby agains, and this recirculation of stagnant wealth can, indeed, make everybody richer.
Of course, we could be even safer and richer if we recirculated the stagnant money without having any wars.
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@benroyce No one wants to click. I don't blame any of you. Here is an archive.ph link: https://archive.ph/Uiu60
Apparently it was written by Ian Morris who claimed to be a professor at Stanford back in 2014. Also, apparently Obama is an illegal president. Or so it says.
Democracy dies in darkness alright — and they were at the forefront of trying to spread that darkness even back then.
Unrelated to the main topic but it's worth mentioning that archive.today have been doing some shady shit. I'd steer clear of them if for no other reason than to not risk being part of the botnet. Wikipedia recently banned them as a source because of that and them manipulating their archive.
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Unrelated to the main topic but it's worth mentioning that archive.today have been doing some shady shit. I'd steer clear of them if for no other reason than to not risk being part of the botnet. Wikipedia recently banned them as a source because of that and them manipulating their archive.
@boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?
No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.
This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...
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@boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?
No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.
This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...
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@boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?
No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.
This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...
Yeah, I don't think there really is an alternative yet, but I just thought it'd be worth mentioning so people know the potential risks given the history of the site and are able to make informed decisions about whether to use it. The DDOS thing is not something you'd know unless you read about it or checked your browser console, for example.
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Yeah, I don't think there really is an alternative yet, but I just thought it'd be worth mentioning so people know the potential risks given the history of the site and are able to make informed decisions about whether to use it. The DDOS thing is not something you'd know unless you read about it or checked your browser console, for example.
@boo_ @benroyce Well, I think a lot of us heard about Wikipedia banning them. That was kind of big.
I'm mostly using them for crapsites like Washington Post that deserve to see as few accesses as possible (and better still, for those to be to something like that instead of to an actual user.) Actually... if they wanted to DDoS washington post I think I might just look the other way... 🤫
(Like even if they serve Russia, frankly WP serves Russia too...)
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@benroyce... that headline is absolutely not true.
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@benroyce Some may be safer and richer, many will die
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@boo_ @benroyce Well, I think a lot of us heard about Wikipedia banning them. That was kind of big.
I'm mostly using them for crapsites like Washington Post that deserve to see as few accesses as possible (and better still, for those to be to something like that instead of to an actual user.) Actually... if they wanted to DDoS washington post I think I might just look the other way... 🤫
(Like even if they serve Russia, frankly WP serves Russia too...)
I'm not arguing against archiving the wp link at all and I just heard about the ban from Wikipedia yesterday, but you're right that it did happen a while ago.
But the DDoSing allegations are not of excessive scraping, rather the site embedded malicious JS in the archived pages they served which DDoSed a third site unrelated to the one archived.
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I'm not arguing against archiving the wp link at all and I just heard about the ban from Wikipedia yesterday, but you're right that it did happen a while ago.
But the DDoSing allegations are not of excessive scraping, rather the site embedded malicious JS in the archived pages they served which DDoSed a third site unrelated to the one archived.
@boo_ Gotcha.
If by any chance you should run across some viable alternative and actually remember this conversation, please let me know. (But I wouldn't blame you if you'd forgotten by such a time. It's unlikely to be any time soon.)
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@benroyce Well, that is probably true (at least for the "richer" part), and remarkably honest, even in the short run. Of course, the important part is who is "us".
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Hitler also made a lot of money from sales of “Mein Kampf” during his reign…
