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My greatest professional accomplishment of the year: I got my exec & manager teammates saying "point positive," a term from whitewater rafting and kayaking.

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  • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

    @eanakashima Ha, didn't know boating people used that as well - motorcycle people are told "do not look at the tree" (or more generally, look where you want to go, not what you want to avoid).

    The Wikipedia page is disappointingly terse, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation .

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    @richlv ooh TIL "target fixation"

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    • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

      @eanakashima Ha, didn't know boating people used that as well - motorcycle people are told "do not look at the tree" (or more generally, look where you want to go, not what you want to avoid).

      The Wikipedia page is disappointingly terse, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation .

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      @richlv @eanakashima

      First rule of tree skiing (skiing through aspen groves or other timber):

      "Look and aim between the trees."

      Whether it's someone else pointing, or you pointing, pointing where to go indeed matters.

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      • tab2space@mastodon.socialT tab2space@mastodon.social

        @richlv @eanakashima

        First rule of tree skiing (skiing through aspen groves or other timber):

        "Look and aim between the trees."

        Whether it's someone else pointing, or you pointing, pointing where to go indeed matters.

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        @tab2space @eanakashima I imagined some mighty legendary hero who in a pinch affixed two large fir trees to their feet and used them as skis.

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        • davep@infosec.exchangeD davep@infosec.exchange

          @eanakashima Works with motorbikes too 👍

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          @davep @eanakashima

          This is the context where I learned it. As soon as I identify a hazard, I need to immediately shift my focus to the safe part of the pavement and my front wheel just goes there. An instructor at motorcycle school told me.

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          • eanakashima@hachyderm.ioE eanakashima@hachyderm.io

            My greatest professional accomplishment of the year: I got my exec & manager teammates saying "point positive," a term from whitewater rafting and kayaking.

            Meaning: when facing hazards, point people toward where to go/what to do, rather than drawing attention to everything to avoid.

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            @eanakashima

            God, I went through independent discovery of that idea long time ago I suddenly realized if I wanted to avoid crashing into something I needed to look at where I had to go rather than the thing I was about to crash into

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            • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

              @eanakashima

              God, I went through independent discovery of that idea long time ago I suddenly realized if I wanted to avoid crashing into something I needed to look at where I had to go rather than the thing I was about to crash into

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              @GhostOnTheHalfShell @eanakashima

              When I was a young lad getting to mild mountain biking someone said "what you see is what you hit"

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              • eanakashima@hachyderm.ioE eanakashima@hachyderm.io

                My greatest professional accomplishment of the year: I got my exec & manager teammates saying "point positive," a term from whitewater rafting and kayaking.

                Meaning: when facing hazards, point people toward where to go/what to do, rather than drawing attention to everything to avoid.

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                @eanakashima what’s it called in whitewater rafting when the raft flips and you have to save yourself? Hypothetically. Not that this has ever happened to me. Twice. Also, we’ll done!

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                • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                  @eanakashima Ha, didn't know boating people used that as well - motorcycle people are told "do not look at the tree" (or more generally, look where you want to go, not what you want to avoid).

                  The Wikipedia page is disappointingly terse, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation .

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                  @richlv @eanakashima "Target fixation" is the term I'd heard in conjunction with motorcycle safety training

                  It's a surprisingly accurate pattern of behavior when any sort of fear or panic takes over

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                  • eanakashima@hachyderm.ioE eanakashima@hachyderm.io

                    My greatest professional accomplishment of the year: I got my exec & manager teammates saying "point positive," a term from whitewater rafting and kayaking.

                    Meaning: when facing hazards, point people toward where to go/what to do, rather than drawing attention to everything to avoid.

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                    @eanakashima I think I'd heard this phrase but didn't know it came from rafting and kayaking. Thanks for the background!

                    And I sure do have to keep reminding people “tell people what to do, not just what not to do”…

                    In the vein of not focusing people's attention in an unwanted direction, I'm reminded of this bit from the 1987 edition of the Apple Human Interface Guidelines (second paragraph):

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                    • colmdonoghue@mastodon.ieC colmdonoghue@mastodon.ie

                      @GhostOnTheHalfShell @eanakashima

                      When I was a young lad getting to mild mountain biking someone said "what you see is what you hit"

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                      @ColmDonoghue @GhostOnTheHalfShell a surprisingly catchy rendition of the concept

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                      • recursive@hachyderm.ioR recursive@hachyderm.io

                        @richlv @eanakashima "Target fixation" is the term I'd heard in conjunction with motorcycle safety training

                        It's a surprisingly accurate pattern of behavior when any sort of fear or panic takes over

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                        @recursive @richlv @eanakashima It's not only fear or panic based. "look where you want the car to go" is a principle I was taught with driving.

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                        • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                          @tab2space @eanakashima I imagined some mighty legendary hero who in a pinch affixed two large fir trees to their feet and used them as skis.

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                          @richlv @tab2space @eanakashima Sounds like something Paul Bunyan would've done, had he skied.

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                          • eanakashima@hachyderm.ioE eanakashima@hachyderm.io

                            My greatest professional accomplishment of the year: I got my exec & manager teammates saying "point positive," a term from whitewater rafting and kayaking.

                            Meaning: when facing hazards, point people toward where to go/what to do, rather than drawing attention to everything to avoid.

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                            @eanakashima now if you could only build on this and get us in the world wide fediverse to "point positive" instead of perma-ranting against all and every hazard, that would be no small feat 🙏

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                            • eanakashima@hachyderm.ioE eanakashima@hachyderm.io

                              My greatest professional accomplishment of the year: I got my exec & manager teammates saying "point positive," a term from whitewater rafting and kayaking.

                              Meaning: when facing hazards, point people toward where to go/what to do, rather than drawing attention to everything to avoid.

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                              @eanakashima The benefits of this are obvious to me when facing immediate threats where there's no time to orient and plan a path to safety. Sharing common language so that you can get to safety with a single glance is huge.

                              Bringing this to the office, where emergencies are rarely this immediate, seems to be little more than applying the name to preferred behaviour where we want people to do more than just point out problems.

                              Is that assessment correct, or is there more to this?

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                              • eanakashima@hachyderm.ioE eanakashima@hachyderm.io

                                My greatest professional accomplishment of the year: I got my exec & manager teammates saying "point positive," a term from whitewater rafting and kayaking.

                                Meaning: when facing hazards, point people toward where to go/what to do, rather than drawing attention to everything to avoid.

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                                @eanakashima Ah, the flipside term to target fixation, nice. TIL!

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                                • boredzo@mastodon.socialB boredzo@mastodon.social

                                  @eanakashima I think I'd heard this phrase but didn't know it came from rafting and kayaking. Thanks for the background!

                                  And I sure do have to keep reminding people “tell people what to do, not just what not to do”…

                                  In the vein of not focusing people's attention in an unwanted direction, I'm reminded of this bit from the 1987 edition of the Apple Human Interface Guidelines (second paragraph):

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                                  @boredzo on a tangential note, I like the last section: "Design in black and white" (and add colours later)

                                  Some of the reasoning may seem outdated, as it initially did to me even though I am currently reading this on a black-and-white e-paper monitor 😅

                                  I learnt a similar concept as a drawing style from Hergé who always made sure his illustrations worked in black and white, where it would sometimes stay unless colour was added as a bonus on top. Works wonders for xeroxable art 😇

                                  @eanakashima

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                                  • eanakashima@hachyderm.ioE eanakashima@hachyderm.io

                                    My greatest professional accomplishment of the year: I got my exec & manager teammates saying "point positive," a term from whitewater rafting and kayaking.

                                    Meaning: when facing hazards, point people toward where to go/what to do, rather than drawing attention to everything to avoid.

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                                    @eanakashima @praveen society is not immutable. If you just avoid conflict, always take the way of least resistance, never fixing things, never identifying obstacles and problems to address everything will stay bad for everyone forever.

                                    If your job is like a death ride on a wild river reconsider your life choices, if you have enough privilege to do so.

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                                    • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                                      @eanakashima Ha, didn't know boating people used that as well - motorcycle people are told "do not look at the tree" (or more generally, look where you want to go, not what you want to avoid).

                                      The Wikipedia page is disappointingly terse, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation .

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                                      @richlv @eanakashima heh, from a boating/sailing perspective I learned to always point at the person who fell off. That way you don't lose track of their position.

                                      I was confused by this image at the start. 🙂

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                                      • davep@infosec.exchangeD davep@infosec.exchange

                                        @eanakashima Works with motorbikes too 👍

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                                        @davep @eanakashima And walking also, come to think about it. Very noticeable when your footing is compromised, like an injury or surgery.

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                                        • eanakashima@hachyderm.ioE eanakashima@hachyderm.io

                                          People just naturally start to go toward where you draw their attention, whether they want to or not. 🤷🏻

                                          Might as well pick something good to point at.

                                          This lesson has many applications right now.

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                                          @eanakashima Had a CEO once who announced new things by talking about all the ills of whatever necessitated the new thing, then added a "oh, by the way, this is the new thing we will do" - I ended up tuning out whenever he was talking, until he started to sound like he were starting to wind down.

                                          It's an atrocious communication style.

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