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  3. Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

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  • cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
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    Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

    thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT djsundog@fedi.reclaim.technologyD vv@solarpunk.moeV foolishowl@social.coopF kats@chaosfem.twK 8 Replies Last reply
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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

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      @cwebber I think he has some good points but in the end it’s IMO a fallacious argument because he thinks that everyone wants to build websites and apps and whatever; when 99% of people will never care about creating anything.

      The best way to encourage people to take back the web would be (I know I’m an optimist) to destroy the monopolies of big tech and work relentlessly on making programming languages easier to use.

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

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        @cwebber@social.coop <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://fedi.reclaim.technology/emoji/stolen/ahhhhhhh-0nO37kC8m.png" title=":ahhhhhhh:" />

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

          vv@solarpunk.moeV This user is from outside of this forum
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          @cwebber https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/#comment-5206956 this comment is an amazing kicker to this nonsense

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

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            @cwebber I don't understand people claiming they can self-host an independent "AI agent". It doesn't square with how I understand they work. It doesn't square with the immense data centers being built.

            And while at first I'm sympathetic to his complaint about losing the open Web, he goes off the rails. You can still create web pages. It's just text. HTML tags are optional. He's fantasizing about singlehandedly competing with Microsoft or something.

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

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              @cwebber I'll take server-side HTML + CSS for a starter, thanks.

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              • vv@solarpunk.moeV vv@solarpunk.moe

                @cwebber https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/#comment-5206956 this comment is an amazing kicker to this nonsense

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                @cwebber https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/#comment-5207178 and this is exactly what i was thinking

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                • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                  @cwebber I think he has some good points but in the end it’s IMO a fallacious argument because he thinks that everyone wants to build websites and apps and whatever; when 99% of people will never care about creating anything.

                  The best way to encourage people to take back the web would be (I know I’m an optimist) to destroy the monopolies of big tech and work relentlessly on making programming languages easier to use.

                  aaron@social.caskey-demaret.seA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @thomasfuchs @cwebber

                  Just like with art, the only barrier to learning how to program, is the learning part. Almost every language is free to use, so it doesn't cost anything except effort (and a basic computer, but then you need that for AI too.)

                  The “agentic AI” in this story, didn't do anything he couldn't have done himself.

                  AI advocates don't want to learn how to program, they want someone else to do it for them. For free, or a cheaply as possible...

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                  • aaron@social.caskey-demaret.seA aaron@social.caskey-demaret.se

                    @thomasfuchs @cwebber

                    Just like with art, the only barrier to learning how to program, is the learning part. Almost every language is free to use, so it doesn't cost anything except effort (and a basic computer, but then you need that for AI too.)

                    The “agentic AI” in this story, didn't do anything he couldn't have done himself.

                    AI advocates don't want to learn how to program, they want someone else to do it for them. For free, or a cheaply as possible...

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                    @thomasfuchs @cwebber And I get that the “democratisation“ that people talk about is lowering the technical knowledge needed to program. And that is a noble goal, but I agree with you that we should be focusing on that directly, not hiding that complexity behind an LLM.

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                      @rickpelletier I’m unfamiliar with how Cursor works. Do they provide their own LLM or do you have to provide e.g. a Claude API key or something? Or is it using a local model?

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

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                        this is just slopaganda

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                        • aaron@social.caskey-demaret.seA aaron@social.caskey-demaret.se

                          @thomasfuchs @cwebber And I get that the “democratisation“ that people talk about is lowering the technical knowledge needed to program. And that is a noble goal, but I agree with you that we should be focusing on that directly, not hiding that complexity behind an LLM.

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                          @aaron @cwebber They’re not understanding that people will learn how to ask a chatbot to make a website and not how to make a website

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                          • foolishowl@social.coopF foolishowl@social.coop

                            @cwebber I don't understand people claiming they can self-host an independent "AI agent". It doesn't square with how I understand they work. It doesn't square with the immense data centers being built.

                            And while at first I'm sympathetic to his complaint about losing the open Web, he goes off the rails. You can still create web pages. It's just text. HTML tags are optional. He's fantasizing about singlehandedly competing with Microsoft or something.

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                            @foolishowl I disagree with much of his analysis, but he mentions Ollama for running local models. I’ve found it easy to setup as well, though any models you can run locally currently aren’t as “capable” as the cloud-hosted models. But the gap is narrowing for sure

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              this is just slopaganda

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                              slopaganda (n): promoting using AI generated tools to worsen your life and everyone's life around you

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                              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                this is just slopaganda

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                                @cwebber it irks me when this is done by people who usually have Good Takes™ but get really, well, sloppy opinions when it comes to LLMs.

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  Submitted without commentary: "AI Might Be Our Best Shot At Taking Back The Open Web" by Mike Masnick https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/25/ai-might-be-our-best-shot-at-taking-back-the-open-web/

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                                  @cwebber I'm personally optimistic about highly focused locally run and trained models.

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                                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                    this is just slopaganda

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                                    @cwebber

                                    I'll take your word for it, won't bother to click. But there is exactly one way I could imagine that headline working out without being slopaganda... and that's to argue that a coming backlash against AI and big tech will open a window where we can get people to care about technological autonomy. If that's not what he's arguing then... he's on my shit list.

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                                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                      slopaganda (n): promoting using AI generated tools to worsen your life and everyone's life around you

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                                      @cwebber But is it that, though?

                                      Or are people still looking at it from a reactionary point of view?

                                      Are people using this technology in ways that it shouldn’t have been intended because it was sold to them by people who wanted to maximize profit by any means necessary.

                                      This is like saying that HTML is the devel because Palantir uses it to code their websites.

                                      It’s like saying the compass is evil because that’s how the slave ships navigated the Atlantic Ocean.

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                                      • foolishowl@social.coopF foolishowl@social.coop

                                        @cwebber I don't understand people claiming they can self-host an independent "AI agent". It doesn't square with how I understand they work. It doesn't square with the immense data centers being built.

                                        And while at first I'm sympathetic to his complaint about losing the open Web, he goes off the rails. You can still create web pages. It's just text. HTML tags are optional. He's fantasizing about singlehandedly competing with Microsoft or something.

                                        vv@solarpunk.moeV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @foolishowl @cwebber His description of CSS makes it sound like it is inscrutable, when browser dev tools like Inspect Element (the successor to "view source") have never been better...

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                                        • majorlinux@toot.majorshouse.comM majorlinux@toot.majorshouse.com

                                          @cwebber But is it that, though?

                                          Or are people still looking at it from a reactionary point of view?

                                          Are people using this technology in ways that it shouldn’t have been intended because it was sold to them by people who wanted to maximize profit by any means necessary.

                                          This is like saying that HTML is the devel because Palantir uses it to code their websites.

                                          It’s like saying the compass is evil because that’s how the slave ships navigated the Atlantic Ocean.

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                                          @majorlinux @cwebber I don't think so...

                                          Some love AI and yes, I see people sing 'use AI against itself!' but frankly that still makes AI users dependent on it and less intelligent and critically-minded.

                                          I just don't think you can build an activist rights-reclamation on the bones of grift, stolen rights and climate destruction.

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