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How to tell a formerly respectable brand has jumped the shark (after selling out to Qualcomm, who are their own special species of shitbaggery):

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  • cazabon@mindly.socialC cazabon@mindly.social

    @adafruit @cstross

    Clearly a mixup with the Arduino situation. Undoubtedly he'll correct it, but timezones may preclude it today.

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    @cazabon @cstross too late, he did it about 8 hours ago and kept going, any way - he caused a giant pile-on, we updated our post ... in the "UPDATE – Men on Mastodon" section ... https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/02/14/heres-our-first-gemini-deep-think-llm-assisted-hardware-design/

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    • adafruit@fosstodon.orgA adafruit@fosstodon.org

      @cstross posts something wrong, does not edit or correct, gets a ton of people to pile on for showing what a new tool can and can't do... adafruit did not "sell out to Qualcomm" either. we are vc-free, loan-free, NYC, usa manufacturer, open-source... Charles why is wrong for a woman to experiment & use a tool to make her job easier? My company is Adafruit, not Arduino btw - Limor

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      @adafruit @cstross > decided to target Limor since she shared it
      i wonder how he would have known who shared it or that you are a woman. seems like overreaction and bad spirit both ways
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      • adafruit@fosstodon.orgA adafruit@fosstodon.org

        @cazabon @cstross too late, he did it about 8 hours ago and kept going, any way - he caused a giant pile-on, we updated our post ... in the "UPDATE – Men on Mastodon" section ... https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/02/14/heres-our-first-gemini-deep-think-llm-assisted-hardware-design/

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        @adafruit @cazabon @cstross I gotta say I'm disappointed in @cstross for this. I mean it's one thing to be against AI, it's another to sabotage a small industry business like this.

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        • dabeaz@mastodon.socialD dabeaz@mastodon.social

          @Oggie @cstross My dog made two poops on one walk the other day.

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          @dabeaz @Oggie @cstross
          My dog dropped an almost perfect 3D print of the poop emoji a couple of years ago. I took a few photos (obviously) but never posted them online at the time.

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          • adafruit@fosstodon.orgA adafruit@fosstodon.org

            @cazabon @cstross too late, he did it about 8 hours ago and kept going, any way - he caused a giant pile-on, we updated our post ... in the "UPDATE – Men on Mastodon" section ... https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/02/14/heres-our-first-gemini-deep-think-llm-assisted-hardware-design/

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            @adafruit @cstross I saw the adafruit post, and the people telling you to get out because of using llm's before the bad post from cstross. In his thread someone pointed out he confused Arduino & Adafruit, and he confirmed but hasn't updated the main post. Using an llm and getting push-back on it was all you though. #noai

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            • sablebadger@dice.campS sablebadger@dice.camp

              @adafruit @cazabon @cstross I gotta say I'm disappointed in @cstross for this. I mean it's one thing to be against AI, it's another to sabotage a small industry business like this.

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              @Sablebadger @adafruit @cstross

              It's not "sabotage", it's a simple mistake/confusion that literally anyone could make. "Small electronics company popular with hobbyists that starts with 'A' which sold out to Qualcomm and started bragging about ``AI''" is pretty easy to mix up with "*Other* small electronics company popular with hobbyists that starts with 'A' which started bragging about ``AI''" . Hell, I could have made that mistake myself.

              So ya, he confused one company's actions with another similarly-named, same-industry company's actions. He didn't torpedo your zeppelin.

              And if Adafruit wants to start using "AI" (LLM), then that's fine. But a lot of us electronics hobbyists will want to have absolutely nothing to do with you from that point on.

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                @ptorrone @Sablebadger @cstross @adafruit

                If you think Charles Stross is anti-women or otherwise misogynist, boy have you clocked him wrong. Try reading his stuff.

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                • adafruit@fosstodon.orgA adafruit@fosstodon.org

                  @cstross posts something wrong, does not edit or correct, gets a ton of people to pile on for showing what a new tool can and can't do... adafruit did not "sell out to Qualcomm" either. we are vc-free, loan-free, NYC, usa manufacturer, open-source... Charles why is wrong for a woman to experiment & use a tool to make her job easier? My company is Adafruit, not Arduino btw - Limor

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                  @adafruit @cstross so much respect and love Limor!!

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                  • cazabon@mindly.socialC cazabon@mindly.social

                    @ptorrone @Sablebadger @cstross @adafruit

                    If you think Charles Stross is anti-women or otherwise misogynist, boy have you clocked him wrong. Try reading his stuff.

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                    @cazabon @ptorrone @cstross @adafruit I do read his stuff, that's why I'm sorry disappointed by his actions.

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                    • cazabon@mindly.socialC cazabon@mindly.social

                      @Sablebadger @adafruit @cstross

                      It's not "sabotage", it's a simple mistake/confusion that literally anyone could make. "Small electronics company popular with hobbyists that starts with 'A' which sold out to Qualcomm and started bragging about ``AI''" is pretty easy to mix up with "*Other* small electronics company popular with hobbyists that starts with 'A' which started bragging about ``AI''" . Hell, I could have made that mistake myself.

                      So ya, he confused one company's actions with another similarly-named, same-industry company's actions. He didn't torpedo your zeppelin.

                      And if Adafruit wants to start using "AI" (LLM), then that's fine. But a lot of us electronics hobbyists will want to have absolutely nothing to do with you from that point on.

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                      @cazabon @adafruit @cstross then why hasn't he walked it back if it was such a simple mistake...

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                      • maaneeack@noc.socialM maaneeack@noc.social

                        @adafruit @cstross I saw the adafruit post, and the people telling you to get out because of using llm's before the bad post from cstross. In his thread someone pointed out he confused Arduino & Adafruit, and he confirmed but hasn't updated the main post. Using an llm and getting push-back on it was all you though. #noai

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                        @maaneeack @adafruit @cstross i understand disagreeing about ethical issues.

                        I don’t get public humiliation and an attempt to erase everything Limor has done for aspiring nerds.

                        The intolerance is intolerable.

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                        • knowuh@mastodon.socialK knowuh@mastodon.social

                          @maaneeack @adafruit @cstross i understand disagreeing about ethical issues.

                          I don’t get public humiliation and an attempt to erase everything Limor has done for aspiring nerds.

                          The intolerance is intolerable.

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                          @knowuh @adafruit @cstross llms as they are now are antitechnology & antiknowledge. They're using stolen data to train, stealing power & water to run, and people's ability to think. It'd be one thing if adafruit used an llm they trained on data they owned, instead they used fucking gemini of all things.

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            RE: https://fosstodon.org/@adafruit/116071513892549636

                            How to tell a formerly respectable brand has jumped the shark (after selling out to Qualcomm, who are their own special species of shitbaggery):

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                            @cstross

                            Dude, you done messed up.

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                            • maaneeack@noc.socialM maaneeack@noc.social

                              @knowuh @adafruit @cstross llms as they are now are antitechnology & antiknowledge. They're using stolen data to train, stealing power & water to run, and people's ability to think. It'd be one thing if adafruit used an llm they trained on data they owned, instead they used fucking gemini of all things.

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                              @maaneeack @knowuh @cstross Please read our articles, we use the hundreds of open-source libraries I made and released, as open-source, and used for many of the experiments you see. It is trained on my code and I ask it to "write code like me" (but you can block, why read it?) - Limor

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                              • adafruit@fosstodon.orgA adafruit@fosstodon.org

                                @maaneeack @knowuh @cstross Please read our articles, we use the hundreds of open-source libraries I made and released, as open-source, and used for many of the experiments you see. It is trained on my code and I ask it to "write code like me" (but you can block, why read it?) - Limor

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                                @adafruit @knowuh @cstross we don't want a llm that is limoresque, we want Limor & Adafruit

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                                • adafruit@fosstodon.orgA adafruit@fosstodon.org

                                  @cstross posts something wrong, does not edit or correct, gets a ton of people to pile on for showing what a new tool can and can't do... adafruit did not "sell out to Qualcomm" either. we are vc-free, loan-free, NYC, usa manufacturer, open-source... Charles why is wrong for a woman to experiment & use a tool to make her job easier? My company is Adafruit, not Arduino btw - Limor

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                                  @adafruit
                                  I'm so sorry you're going through this pile-up, Limor.
                                  It's confirming me in keeping my open source work off social media. I know I'm not strong enough or big enough to deal with such attacks.
                                  Thanks for your work! I've also started using LLMs, it can be quite useful.

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                                  • adafruit@fosstodon.orgA adafruit@fosstodon.org

                                    @cstross posts something wrong, does not edit or correct, gets a ton of people to pile on for showing what a new tool can and can't do... adafruit did not "sell out to Qualcomm" either. we are vc-free, loan-free, NYC, usa manufacturer, open-source... Charles why is wrong for a woman to experiment & use a tool to make her job easier? My company is Adafruit, not Arduino btw - Limor

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                                    @adafruit @cstross

                                    I had someone try to tell me AI doing the work is like having an auto transmission instead of a manual. OK, I can kind of see that.It does the work to get you moving. For the Rav4 no way would I want a manual but a small Sports car that's half the fun.

                                    While I would not use AI to write code because I want to know what is in it and understand it. I could see using it for Hardware. That is close to automated anyways. Instead of setting up nets , moving part around and letting the pcb design software make the traces you are describing what you want.

                                    Which probably would have me pounding my head on the table when I can't make the darn thing understand what I wanted it to do

                                    Plus my boards are usually not that complex .

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                                    • sablebadger@dice.campS sablebadger@dice.camp

                                      @cazabon @adafruit @cstross then why hasn't he walked it back if it was such a simple mistake...

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                                      @Sablebadger

                                      "timezones"

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                                      • adafruit@fosstodon.orgA adafruit@fosstodon.org

                                        @cazabon @cstross too late, he did it about 8 hours ago and kept going, any way - he caused a giant pile-on, we updated our post ... in the "UPDATE – Men on Mastodon" section ... https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/02/14/heres-our-first-gemini-deep-think-llm-assisted-hardware-design/

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                                        @adafruit @cazabon@mindly.social @cstross So sorry you have to deal with this. LLMs are a tool which can be used for good or bad like any tool.

                                        On another note, this is giving me some nice additions to my account blacklist

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