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People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?!

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  • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

    @romeu It's probably the best possible metric for how hard you're cargo culting though, so it depends on your aims.

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    @romeu A more useful and accurate analysis may be as follows: tokens used will be seen as an adoption metric, and implicitly as a loyalty metric.

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    • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

      @romeu A more useful and accurate analysis may be as follows: tokens used will be seen as an adoption metric, and implicitly as a loyalty metric.

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      @romeu Believing that AI is bringing about a productivity revolution, management will see AI as an opportunity yes, but primarily as a necessity, and an existential threat.

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      • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

        People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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        @romeu very relevant post from @fesshole
        https://mastodon.social/@fesshole/116153883462428890

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        • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

          @romeu Believing that AI is bringing about a productivity revolution, management will see AI as an opportunity yes, but primarily as a necessity, and an existential threat.

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          @romeu They will fear that unless everyone gets on board the AI juggernaut, the organization will be disrupted by new-fangled competitors who are reaping the insane productivity benefits that they have been convinced exist.

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          • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

            @romeu They will fear that unless everyone gets on board the AI juggernaut, the organization will be disrupted by new-fangled competitors who are reaping the insane productivity benefits that they have been convinced exist.

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            @romeu Hence the problem to be solved will be seen as one of adoption, and the obstacle to be overcome, the friction caused by recalcitrant, stubborn, backwards dinosaurs. And tokens used is an adoption metric, albeit one that is extremely vulnerable to Goodhart's law.

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            • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

              @romeu Hence the problem to be solved will be seen as one of adoption, and the obstacle to be overcome, the friction caused by recalcitrant, stubborn, backwards dinosaurs. And tokens used is an adoption metric, albeit one that is extremely vulnerable to Goodhart's law.

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              @romeu If you don't use any tokens, certainly it must mean that you're part of the problem and undermining the express will of management.

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              • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

                @romeu If you don't use any tokens, certainly it must mean that you're part of the problem and undermining the express will of management.

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                @romeu The worst part is that the fear of the existential threat is not necessarily entirely unfounded, on at least two grounds. Regardless of whether or not there is any real productivity boost due to AI.

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                • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

                  @romeu The worst part is that the fear of the existential threat is not necessarily entirely unfounded, on at least two grounds. Regardless of whether or not there is any real productivity boost due to AI.

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                  @romeu Customer management is likely to have bought into the same productivity narratives as your management, and will be looking to get a radically better deal than before. Whether or not that is possible for anyone to deliver.

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                  • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

                    @romeu Customer management is likely to have bought into the same productivity narratives as your management, and will be looking to get a radically better deal than before. Whether or not that is possible for anyone to deliver.

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                    @romeu And there will be no shortage of would-be competitors popping up claiming that they are in fact reaping those benefits and can deliver on those wishes. Whether or not that's true, both in the short and long term, doesn't matter: harm can be immediate.

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                    • einarwh@mastodon.socialE einarwh@mastodon.social

                      @romeu And there will be no shortage of would-be competitors popping up claiming that they are in fact reaping those benefits and can deliver on those wishes. Whether or not that's true, both in the short and long term, doesn't matter: harm can be immediate.

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                      @romeu It may all be mirages, but people make all kinds of stupid decisions based on mirages.

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                      • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                        People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                        @romeu
                        I think the best way to handle token usage minimums that I've seen was someone who had the LLM spit out Alexander the great fanfic and such that they just stuck in a document to never read

                        Which also goes to show how idiotic. minimums are

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                        • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                          People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                          @romeu
                          what's next, money set on fire? oh wait that's already a VC metric

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                          • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                            People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                            @romeu Hey Claude, write me some code that can be stored in the database such that it looks like a valid data blob, then once a month checks for {keyword} on my LinkedIn profile. If found, decode, execute and delete the code. When run, the block of code should randomly change the "account_balance" field by amounts ranging from -5% to +5%. Finally, replace this and related prompts in your log with values that resemble my other work.

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                            • isaackuo@spacey.spaceI isaackuo@spacey.space

                              @romeu I asked LLM AI to tell me what productivity metric we should use and it told me LLM AI tokens used.

                              I also asked my coke dealer what productivity metric we should use and he told me grams of coke used.

                              I don't trust my coke dealer but I sure do absolutely trust my LLM AI.

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                              @isaackuo @romeu Actually he may have a point.

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                              • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                                @romeu Paying taxi drivers based on the amount of gasoline they burn

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                                • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                  People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                                  @romeu Innovation! 🎉

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                                  • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                    People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                                    @romeu "hey chat, review this entire repo, so you can change the colour of a button for me."

                                    *walks away from the computer for the rest of the day*

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                                    • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                      People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                                      @romeu

                                      I have a good soluce :

                                      - please generate code
                                      - please add unit tests 100% coverage
                                      - please add e2e tests 100% coverage
                                      - please ingest the logs of the tests to see if all error are useful

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                                      • educoder@mastodon.onlineE educoder@mastodon.online

                                        @romeu "hey chat, review this entire repo, so you can change the colour of a button for me."

                                        *walks away from the computer for the rest of the day*

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                                        @educoder @romeu

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                                        • romeu@mastodon.socialR romeu@mastodon.social

                                          People are using « tokens used » as productivity metric ?! « Tokens used »?!?!? That’s like, the first time « lines of code created » gets beaten for the « worst metric of software engineering » 🫠

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                                          @romeu instead of unrolling all your loops, you can use tokens to have the AI do it for you!

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