If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.

[sobex@social.sciences.re]

@ekaitz_zarraga @cwebber @spritely Discord is like slack for gamers, and better than slack, including audio and video calls and streams.

And what is going on. Since a large array of country have enacted are are in the process of enacting age verification laws, they are rolling out age verification globally.

And that's after one of their partner for UK age-verification leaked a large stash of IDs.

[woody@pleroma.pch.net]

@cwebber @spritely

Isn't that XMPP?

[dallo@pouet.chapril.org]

@cwebber @spritely is it going to be a new protocol or maybe build on top of xmpp or matrix?

[wcbdata@vis.social]

@spritely @cwebber Can you help Zulip achieve this (and fix their conversation thread model)? 🥺

[danvolchek@mastodon.social]

@cwebber @spritely Its so frustrating that all the other replacements should be good options, but they're not because they either don't work or have a difficult to use UX. If you end up doing this please make it usable

[polyfloyd@hsnl.social]

@cwebber @spritely Will you pick an existing project and nurture it? Or start from scratch?

There are plenty of alternative Discord-projects out there, some of which already have some degree or promise of federation. I would find it wasteful to start the Nth competitor. XKCD 927.

[dthompson@toot.cat]

@polyfloyd @cwebber @spritely can you name one that is any good? I can't. matrix probably comes the closest but it has fundamental issues that would be hard to fix retroactively.

[polyfloyd@hsnl.social]

@dthompson @cwebber @spritely The most mentioned one would be https://stoat.chat/. I heard it is decent but I have not tried it myself.

Alternatively:
* https://commet.chat/
* https://fluxer.app/
* https://fermi.chat/
* https://sharkord.com/
* https://www.rootapp.com/

And probably a few more that I have not yet discovered. This is a crowded space, holy shit

[dthompson@toot.cat]

@polyfloyd @cwebber @spritely I took a quick look and I don't see anything that mentions Stoat having federation or any other decentralized features. Commet probably has that due to being built on Matrix. Other than that, they all seem centralized but self-hostable with the exception of Root which afaict is proprietary SaaS.

[mattof@functional.cafe]

@cwebber @spritely why not a xmpp chatroom?

[neckspike@indiepocalypse.social]

@mattof

@cwebber @spritely

the problem with replacing discord is it does a bunch of things good enough, so you end up needing xmpp and jitsi and sone other things and custom work to bind it together and make it work smoothly

[richlv@mastodon.social]

@wcbdata @spritely @cwebber Zulip is great, but what do you find wrong with topics there?

[sprocketclown@mastodon.social]

@cwebber @spritely In the meantime are there any half decent FOSS alternatives one could use as a stop-gap measure?

[wcbdata@vis.social]

@spritely @cwebber @richlv I know it's a personal preference, but I like the threaded replies model in Slack & Discord better than the "topic" approach in Zulip. Topic to me seems redundant with Channel - sort of like a long-lived email subject line, whereas threaded replies are much more focused and help me visually associate conversations.

[viq@social.hackerspace.pl]

@wcbdata
What needs to be fixed about Zulip? I'm curious, as I'm very intrigued by how it works, and I think it could work very well for organizing conversations.

[woozle@toot.cat]

@cwebber @spritely

Funding-infrastructurally: one thing I'd like to see is some kind of mechanism where non-wealthy individuals with a little cash to spare can pledge $support if some corporate sponsor pulls out, especially if it's for questionable reasons.

(Just a thought.)
(Hey have you heard of ActivityPub, maybe that would be good for this.)

[richlv@mastodon.social]

@wcbdata @spritely @cwebber
Hmm, I could see them being somewhat redundant in a small community, but anything past that would surely benefit from nested structure.

Regarding the threaded mode, I have used Slack very little, and Discord maybe once, so no good experience - but I'll just imagine it's like mailing list archives
I can see benefits and drawbacks in both modes. In a way, quoting in Zulip might replace full threading, and allow the topics to remain more focused.

[richlv@mastodon.social]

@wcbdata @spritely @cwebber
The mailing-list-archive-like threading has other problems - going down all the threads is a bit tiresome, as one has to jump between conversations in time and subtopics. It's also not quite what mailing list participants experience at the time - they view messages very sequentially.
Perhaps Zulip model better reflects that experience?

That doesn't guarantee it being better, though. Would be great to see proper studies on this

[xjix@merveilles.town]

@mattof @cwebber @spritely

personally, I'd love to see more funding directed at OMEMO libraries. There are some worrying security questions there https://soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/

FOSS broadly is having a funding crisis tho so this is probably true for a lot of projects.

[tim@mastodon.energy]

@cwebber @spritely @SprocketClown Matrix is probably going to be the long term answer. The UI UX is steadily improving, but might be OK already. The Element X iOS and Android clients are both now pretty good, and there are many others to try too.