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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

    @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

    Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

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    @cstross Both have the idea of immortality as a sort of cultural trap with the potential for permanent underclasses and rulling classes and horrifically long term contracts.

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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      @cstross

      Sounds a bit like Jack Gilmour

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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        @cstross Sounds a bit like some of Max Gladstones work.

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        • leyrer@23.socialL leyrer@23.social

          @cstross your brain wouldn't stop, throwing ideass at you, would it?

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          @leyrer
          Sometimes it's just @foone being a muse: https://wandering.shop/@cstross/116108084351760427
          @cstross

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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            @cstross See real world demonology and immortality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juridical_person

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            • towo@chaos.socialT towo@chaos.social

              @leyrer
              Sometimes it's just @foone being a muse: https://wandering.shop/@cstross/116108084351760427
              @cstross

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              @towo I saw that 😄

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              • moira@mastodon.murkworks.netM moira@mastodon.murkworks.net

                @cstross in other words, scientology?

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                @moira @cstross Actually, almost exactly this idea is behind evolution of term "debt" from "sin". If you read Graeber's Debt: The First 5,000 Years, you kind of feel, that the religions originated exactly from such concept.

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                  @cstross may I suggest Katarina Pistor's "The Code of Capital"?

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                    @cstross
                    That feels familiar, but not sure why. Maybe a short story from some anthology, or something Deathy from Terry Pratchett or Piers Anthony or what's his name that did Sandman.

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                      @cstross

                      Driven a little bit by personal experience, would these particular Contract Lawyers be Barristers? I had to pay one for specialised legal advice, not for representation in court.

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                        @cstross If you haven't yet seen the show "Extraordinary", it's a must watch. There's a character in it who can do séance-style summonings of the dead, so of course her job is to work with lawyers untangling wills and titles 🙂

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                        • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                          @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

                          Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

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                          @Infoseepage Ssh, that might be a spoiler for the novel I just finished …!

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            @Infoseepage Ssh, that might be a spoiler for the novel I just finished …!

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                            @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

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                            • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                              @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

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                              @cstross Lately, caught a few episodes of The Beauty, which is about a lab created immortality virus which gets loose, mutates and is sexually transmissible. It radically reshapes individuals for youth, health and beauty, but comes with a ticking time bomb of spontaneous combustion within a few years of infection unless you get an expensive suppressive shot. Sort of the ultimate in "the first one is always free" perpetual rent seeking.

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                              • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                                @cstross Immortality as a product/treatment is anything new for SciFi. It's been providing rich fodder for authors for decades upon decades of speculation on the perverse shapes civilizations with access to such technology might take. You've got books like Vance's To Live Forever and Sheckley's Immortality, Inc. going back to the 1950's. Personal favorites growing up are Haldeman's Buying Time and Boat of a Million Years.

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                                @Infoseepage You haven't read my SF, have you? (Hint: try "Glasshouse".)

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                                  @cstross
                                  Tales from the Black Chamber

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                                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                    @Infoseepage You haven't read my SF, have you? (Hint: try "Glasshouse".)

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                                    @cstross I've read your stuff fairly comprehensively, but somehow missed that one. Tossing it on my list now.

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                                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                                      @cstross

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                                        @cstross The Orzhov Syndicate would like a word.

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                                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

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                                          @cstross "The Victorians were onto something with their debtors' prison. So I'd like to introduce you to a little concept we're working on. It's called debtors' Hell …”

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