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Don't tell IT, but I've started using LibreOffice at work & it's immediately less frustrating than Word... 😁

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  • jwcph@helvede.netJ jwcph@helvede.net

    Don't tell IT, but I've started using LibreOffice at work & it's immediately less frustrating than Word... 😁

    #ux #tech #software

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    @jwcph nice to hear. Welcome to the world of fast, efficient, comprehensive and open software.

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    • nieuemma@mastodon.deN nieuemma@mastodon.de

      @jwcph I used to use Office 2003, 2007, 2013, and 2016 I think.

      I haven't reallly needed them much for anything since school (computering isn't my work, just for funsies).

      2007 and 2013 were my favourites, and OnlyOffice reminded me of using 2013.

      LibreOffice is ugly (for my taste) and dark theming never worked properly. It always worked very well otherwise.

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      @nieuemma @jwcph be aware that OnlyOffice is a Russian product and apparently has a lot of binary code in til, so nobody can really see what it's doing behind the lines.

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      • jensk@mstdn.dkJ jensk@mstdn.dk

        @nieuemma @jwcph be aware that OnlyOffice is a Russian product and apparently has a lot of binary code in til, so nobody can really see what it's doing behind the lines.

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        @jensk @nieuemma I am not inherently afraid of Russian or Chinese products - by which I mean there's no way they can be worse than American. I'd rather have a risk of something nefarious than the absolute certainty of it that comes with using US Big Tech.

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        • jwcph@helvede.netJ jwcph@helvede.net

          @jensk @nieuemma I am not inherently afraid of Russian or Chinese products - by which I mean there's no way they can be worse than American. I'd rather have a risk of something nefarious than the absolute certainty of it that comes with using US Big Tech.

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          @jwcph @jensk @nieuemma It's not only about your personal/company risk, but also about not supporting the countries they are based in. Also, the choice is not only between American, Russian or Chinese, it's also about EU and other non-autocratic states.

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          • tokeriis@helvede.netT tokeriis@helvede.net

            @jwcph @jensk @nieuemma It's not only about your personal/company risk, but also about not supporting the countries they are based in. Also, the choice is not only between American, Russian or Chinese, it's also about EU and other non-autocratic states.

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            @tokeriis @jensk @nieuemma Sure, but that's not what it means saying "warning, Chinese/Russian!" at a FOSS product, unless we're saying that FOSS programmers in those countries should be trusted less than their western bretheren, which is pretty racist & also wrong, see "Big Tech owns GitHub but FOSS programmers still use it for almost everything".

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            • jwcph@helvede.netJ jwcph@helvede.net

              @tokeriis @jensk @nieuemma Sure, but that's not what it means saying "warning, Chinese/Russian!" at a FOSS product, unless we're saying that FOSS programmers in those countries should be trusted less than their western bretheren, which is pretty racist & also wrong, see "Big Tech owns GitHub but FOSS programmers still use it for almost everything".

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              @jwcph @tokeriis @nieuemma I wrote about it being Russian because there is supposedly binary code in OnlyOffice thus it is not open source and nobody knows what it does in the binary parts

              Further more it uses the closed proprietary file format docx from Microsoft instead of the open international standards ODF.
              I my opinion this product is just as bad as MSOffice.

              But again if the look of the UI is the most important factor in ones choosing of a product, by all means choose MSOffice or OnlyOffice.

              My personal choose is LibreOffice and Colabora. Both are pure open source, and uses the open free document format ODF as their native file format - even though they can read and write Docx as well

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                @jwcph @tokeriis @nieuemma I wrote about it being Russian because there is supposedly binary code in OnlyOffice thus it is not open source and nobody knows what it does in the binary parts

                Further more it uses the closed proprietary file format docx from Microsoft instead of the open international standards ODF.
                I my opinion this product is just as bad as MSOffice.

                But again if the look of the UI is the most important factor in ones choosing of a product, by all means choose MSOffice or OnlyOffice.

                My personal choose is LibreOffice and Colabora. Both are pure open source, and uses the open free document format ODF as their native file format - even though they can read and write Docx as well

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                @jensk @tokeriis @nieuemma The nearly seamless doc/odf cross-over in LibreOffice is an essential feature to me - I can't very well hide from IT & my colleagues that I've gone rogue if I can't deliver or open doc files when sharing something, but for myself I save everything as odf 😁

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                • jwcph@helvede.netJ jwcph@helvede.net

                  @jensk @tokeriis @nieuemma The nearly seamless doc/odf cross-over in LibreOffice is an essential feature to me - I can't very well hide from IT & my colleagues that I've gone rogue if I can't deliver or open doc files when sharing something, but for myself I save everything as odf 😁

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                  @jwcph @tokeriis @nieuemma seamless crossover is also essentiel for me. Unfortunately Microsoft does all it can to inhibit document exchange.

                  Latest trick is to make a new standard font for Word (Aptos) that is proprietary and closed. Only available to word licensees.

                  In Aptos Microsoft has defined a very odd spacing of characters. The result is that if you as a LibreOffice user recieves a Word documents where the creator in Word just uses the standard font (Aptos), format changes will occur.

                  Past versions of Word used Arial as a standard font and that font was available to other platforms and products.

                  So Microsoft has once more been able to make rendering of docx files in other wordprocessors as difficult as possible. Every Word user will point at the alternative word processor as not good enough or faulty.

                  The solution is to persuade the Word users to use Arial, Liberation og another open font family as standard font in Word

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                    @jwcph @tokeriis @nieuemma seamless crossover is also essentiel for me. Unfortunately Microsoft does all it can to inhibit document exchange.

                    Latest trick is to make a new standard font for Word (Aptos) that is proprietary and closed. Only available to word licensees.

                    In Aptos Microsoft has defined a very odd spacing of characters. The result is that if you as a LibreOffice user recieves a Word documents where the creator in Word just uses the standard font (Aptos), format changes will occur.

                    Past versions of Word used Arial as a standard font and that font was available to other platforms and products.

                    So Microsoft has once more been able to make rendering of docx files in other wordprocessors as difficult as possible. Every Word user will point at the alternative word processor as not good enough or faulty.

                    The solution is to persuade the Word users to use Arial, Liberation og another open font family as standard font in Word

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                    @jensk @tokeriis @nieuemma Fortunately our corporate font is Open Sans - but yes, people very often just use the default & MS is counting on that...

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                    • jwcph@helvede.netJ jwcph@helvede.net

                      @jensk @tokeriis @nieuemma Fortunately our corporate font is Open Sans - but yes, people very often just use the default & MS is counting on that...

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                      @jwcph @jensk @tokeriis @nieuemma Typical Microsoft predation. They are the proprietary Scorpion the open source frog is carrying across the river.

                      They just can’t help themselves.

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