"Ellis" is a new one 🤷🏼♀️
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.....wait, really?
I mean yes, as a trans girl I'm more likely to see it than most, but it's one of the top 100 popular names; is it really that rare to see it?
@munin @alice maybe it's just a regional thing but here in Toronto people frequently tell me "oh I've never seen that name before" after struggling to pronounce it, regardless if english is their native language or not.
it's a fairly archaic name at this point, peaking around 1910. it had a bit of a resurgence in the 2000s but nowhere near what it was. it's pretty much relegated to "grandma name" at this point, and I say that with affection (obviously) lol
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@alice I do NOT understand why names are so hard for people.
Apparently EVERYONE thinks my name is spelled "Chole" because that's how it gets written, and then repeated back to me, constantly.
CHLOE ISN'T A HARD NAME 🤬🤬🤬🤬
@CordiallyChloe yeah, I've never met an "Ellis" before. "Alice" isn't a common name, but it's a very well-known one.
I've also gotten "Alex" before (which is forgivable, as it's rather more common than Alice these days).
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@alice I do NOT understand why names are so hard for people.
Apparently EVERYONE thinks my name is spelled "Chole" because that's how it gets written, and then repeated back to me, constantly.
CHLOE ISN'T A HARD NAME 🤬🤬🤬🤬
@CordiallyChloe @alice My name is literally one letter long, and gets misspelled more often than it gets spelled correctly.
I've had 'Vee', 'Ve', "Vi', 'Vie', 'Be', 'Bee', 'Dee' etc.
... When I give my name, I also fingerspell it to the person, just, out of habit (it's also trivial to do b/c, again, one letter.) Does not seem to help most of the time. -
@alice if it helps any, I once ordered food and they put it under the name “Ass” lolsob
@Ashedryden oh no
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I chose my name very deliberately to be easy to spell - it's spelled exactly as it sounds, there's only one common canonical spelling, and while perhaps not a super common name it's one that a few famous people have had.
And yet some people have gone thru great effort to spell "Fiona" incorrectly, tho I suspect the one coffee shop person who keeps fucking it up has dyslexia.
@munin @CordiallyChloe @alice I could see some people going for the Greek "ph" as in "Phiona". English is weird.
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"Ellis" is a new one
️@alice I used to use the name "Batgirl" as my coffee name, and a super wild group of baristas renamed me "FatGrrrl" after making me repeat myself multiple times
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@munin @alice maybe it's just a regional thing but here in Toronto people frequently tell me "oh I've never seen that name before" after struggling to pronounce it, regardless if english is their native language or not.
it's a fairly archaic name at this point, peaking around 1910. it had a bit of a resurgence in the 2000s but nowhere near what it was. it's pretty much relegated to "grandma name" at this point, and I say that with affection (obviously) lol
@AmyZenunim @munin yeah, it peaked in percentage around 1890 and in raw numbers around 1910.
It is *surprisingly* common on Fedi for some reason though—like every living Alice fled other social media and ended up here.
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@munin @alice maybe it's just a regional thing but here in Toronto people frequently tell me "oh I've never seen that name before" after struggling to pronounce it, regardless if english is their native language or not.
it's a fairly archaic name at this point, peaking around 1910. it had a bit of a resurgence in the 2000s but nowhere near what it was. it's pretty much relegated to "grandma name" at this point, and I say that with affection (obviously) lol
@AmyZenunim @munin @alice 12th most popular girl's baby name in canada in 2024 apparently, i think it might just be that the kids named that haven't gotten to adulthood quite yet
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@alice I do NOT understand why names are so hard for people.
Apparently EVERYONE thinks my name is spelled "Chole" because that's how it gets written, and then repeated back to me, constantly.
CHLOE ISN'T A HARD NAME 🤬🤬🤬🤬
@CordiallyChloe @alice
Am I a garbanzo bean?
No. No I am not.
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@munin @CordiallyChloe @alice I could see some people going for the Greek "ph" as in "Phiona". English is weird.
@Alonely0 @CordiallyChloe @alice
That was the first incidence, yes, lol - at which point, a former meta pointed out the existence of the "phi" character in greek; I've taken to signing my name with that 'cuz it amuses me :3
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@alice nothing can beat “Santander, like the bank” transformed into this… in the Royal Mile of Edinburgh.
@juandesant "Sartagn" sounds pretty metal though
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@munin @alice maybe it's just a regional thing but here in Toronto people frequently tell me "oh I've never seen that name before" after struggling to pronounce it, regardless if english is their native language or not.
it's a fairly archaic name at this point, peaking around 1910. it had a bit of a resurgence in the 2000s but nowhere near what it was. it's pretty much relegated to "grandma name" at this point, and I say that with affection (obviously) lol
@AmyZenunim @munin @alice I can understand not knowing anyone named Alice but… is Alice in Wonderland not part enough of pop culture that people would still be exposed to it from that alone
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@alice I used to use the name "Batgirl" as my coffee name, and a super wild group of baristas renamed me "FatGrrrl" after making me repeat myself multiple times
@amcasari I still can't think about Batgirl without singing this song.
https://song.link/s/5UebR77vjap8LVd6eqITiY
"Batgirl, na na na na nana"
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@AmyZenunim @munin @alice I can understand not knowing anyone named Alice but… is Alice in Wonderland not part enough of pop culture that people would still be exposed to it from that alone
@demize you'd think
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@CordiallyChloe yeah, I've never met an "Ellis" before. "Alice" isn't a common name, but it's a very well-known one.
I've also gotten "Alex" before (which is forgivable, as it's rather more common than Alice these days).
@alice @CordiallyChloe I've had a classmate named Ellis once, several decades ago. But then I'm in .nl, and 'Ellis' is exactly how one would write 'Alice' from what it sounds like if you know only Dutch and no English.
People, especially my fellow Dutch people, are also categorically unable to spell my name. I get Wienke, Winke, Wieneke, Nienke, Nynke, Wieteke and, on one memorable occasion, Wynetta (vaguely considering constructing an alter ego with that name).
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I chose my name very deliberately to be easy to spell - it's spelled exactly as it sounds, there's only one common canonical spelling, and while perhaps not a super common name it's one that a few famous people have had.
And yet some people have gone thru great effort to spell "Fiona" incorrectly, tho I suspect the one coffee shop person who keeps fucking it up has dyslexia.
@munin @CordiallyChloe @alice because i chose a slightly unusual spelling for my name (most ppl around here want to spell me katja) I've gotten used to just spelling it out any time i suspect the other person might be writing it down
the majority of misspellings of my name I get at this point is ppl reading my name (correctly spelled) and writing it back down somewhere else (wrongly spelled)
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@AmyZenunim @munin @alice I can understand not knowing anyone named Alice but… is Alice in Wonderland not part enough of pop culture that people would still be exposed to it from that alone
@demize @AmyZenunim Also baffled that there are people in a primarily English speaking nation who somehow haven't encountered it, either by pop culture or just...being a really popular name?
I'm guessing it's much less common in Canada and the US? In the UK I'm pretty sure it's been in the top 100 for girls name the entire time I've been alive and at several points been top 25.
Like, it's never reached the heights of Emily, Sophie, Rebecca, Amy, Lucy...but Alice is still a very "you probably vaguely knew of 2 or 3 of them at school" name to me ^_^;
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@alice I want the same that Ellis having
@autisticplushy
It does sound good
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@AmyZenunim @munin yeah, it peaked in percentage around 1890 and in raw numbers around 1910.
It is *surprisingly* common on Fedi for some reason though—like every living Alice fled other social media and ended up here.
@alice @AmyZenunim @munin
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@alice @AmyZenunim @munin
But: Alice in Wonderland. Do people have no literary education?@petherfile @alice @AmyZenunim
Unironically, no, no they do not.
There's been some significant problems in literacy in recent years due to a -fantastically- ineffective model of reading pedagogy that's done a horrific disservice to millions of children.
How a flawed idea is teaching millions of kids to be poor readers
For decades, schools have taught children the strategies of struggling readers, using a theory about reading that cognitive scientists have repeatedly debunked. And many teachers and parents don't know there's anything wrong with it.
(www.apmreports.org)
