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The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

    The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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    @evacide

    Patel is a scourge on the civil liberties of Americans. He serves an autocrat. The only positive news of his appointment is that he is dumb. .

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    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

      The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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      If the government has access to and the power to buy such data, they will always choose to buy it

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      • bayo@me.dmB bayo@me.dm

        @evacide Nobody voluntarily shares their precise location history with the FBI when they download a flashlight app. The consent buried in a 47-page terms of service that nobody reads isn't consent in any meaningful sense of the word. It's legal infrastructure designed to manufacture the appearance of consent while eliminating its substance.

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        @bayo @evacide @YellowReadis
        Spot on.

        A Hobson’s choice means we need to be covered by a higher tier of law than a contract. Fortunately, a contract is at the bottom but what it means is that your law makers are letting this be so.

        If the law doesn’t override it as a bad term, it means your lawmakers have constructed a system where they want this. Ironically they plead ignorance as their defence. So yes. The system is engineered to facilitate overreach.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson's_choice

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        • bayo@me.dmB bayo@me.dm

          @evacide Nobody voluntarily shares their precise location history with the FBI when they download a flashlight app. The consent buried in a 47-page terms of service that nobody reads isn't consent in any meaningful sense of the word. It's legal infrastructure designed to manufacture the appearance of consent while eliminating its substance.

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          @bayo @evacide

          In this German/French documentary, a French newspaper discovers location data from its own news app in the location dataset of a data broker. They couldn’t explain how this could have happened, since they don’t collect this data themselves.

          The Film also shows that not only intelligence agencies can use such data, but also stalkers and other equally “charming” individuals.

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          Gefährliche Apps - Im Netz der Datenhändler - Die ganze Doku | ARTE

          Apps sammeln detaillierte Standortdaten. Die Informationen landen in einem weltweiten Netzwerk aus Datenhändlern und Werbefirmen. Sie verraten Wohnorte und Arbeitsplätze – bis hin zu Bordellbesuchen oder Klinikaufenthalten. Die Dokumentation zeigt, wie leicht Nutzer ins Visier von Stalkern, Kriminellen oder Geheimdiensten geraten können.

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          • bayo@me.dmB bayo@me.dm

            @evacide Nobody voluntarily shares their precise location history with the FBI when they download a flashlight app. The consent buried in a 47-page terms of service that nobody reads isn't consent in any meaningful sense of the word. It's legal infrastructure designed to manufacture the appearance of consent while eliminating its substance.

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            @bayo @evacide

            Dunno, but having to explicitly approve "Allow Flashlight to access this device's location" doesn't seem like legalistic shenanigans to me.

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            • olivetree@social.anoxinon.deO olivetree@social.anoxinon.de

              @bayo @evacide

              In this German/French documentary, a French newspaper discovers location data from its own news app in the location dataset of a data broker. They couldn’t explain how this could have happened, since they don’t collect this data themselves.

              The Film also shows that not only intelligence agencies can use such data, but also stalkers and other equally “charming” individuals.

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              Gefährliche Apps - Im Netz der Datenhändler - Die ganze Doku | ARTE

              Apps sammeln detaillierte Standortdaten. Die Informationen landen in einem weltweiten Netzwerk aus Datenhändlern und Werbefirmen. Sie verraten Wohnorte und Arbeitsplätze – bis hin zu Bordellbesuchen oder Klinikaufenthalten. Die Dokumentation zeigt, wie leicht Nutzer ins Visier von Stalkern, Kriminellen oder Geheimdiensten geraten können.

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              ARTE (www.arte.tv)

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              @bayo @evacide

              The documentary is also available on YouTube, in case the first link is geo-restricted.

              - YouTube

              Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

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              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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                @evacide@hachyderm.io

                Not that the databroker industry mustn't be destroyed, but what
                really needs to happen (with respect to law-enforcement and intelligence, specifically) is that purchasing as a 4A-circumvention should be treated exactly the same as a direct 4A-violation.

                When it comes to data-aggregators, they should be forced to operate under the same kinds of data-protection frameworks as other data-collectors:

                • Created a medical profile from direct and indirect indicators? Congratulations, your database is now subject to HIPAA and related protection- and disemmination-frameworks.

                • Created a financial profile? Congratulations, you need to be PCI/DSS compliant and need to operate under the same explicit permissions strictures the government does (you have to explicitly consent to all sharing and the consent can't be a dense, "wall-of text, click here to pretend you read and understand it" vehicle)

                • Etc.

                Basically, allow them to exist, but make the expense of maintaining those products so high as to basically be not worth doing.

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                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                  The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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                  @evacide It's absolutely true that modern information brokers are evil, but haven't federal and local agencies been buying this data for decades already?

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                  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                    The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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                    @evacide burn it down

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                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                      The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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                      @evacide I know not everyone can, but using something like @kagihq helps a lot with privacy (they have added anonymity options like Tor service, pay in crypto and a privacy pass)
                      I truly believe that search is actually not free, you are just not paying up front

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                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                        The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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                        @evacide

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                        • bayo@me.dmB bayo@me.dm

                          @evacide Nobody voluntarily shares their precise location history with the FBI when they download a flashlight app. The consent buried in a 47-page terms of service that nobody reads isn't consent in any meaningful sense of the word. It's legal infrastructure designed to manufacture the appearance of consent while eliminating its substance.

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                          @bayo @evacide

                          All are reminders that consent matters everywhere -- inside & outside of bedrooms.

                          Teach kids consent early & often.

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                          • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                            The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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                            @evacide And, when they have enough data, they will begin to arrest DJT's political enemies.

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                            • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                              The data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant

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                              @evacide I do not understand how this has ever been legal. I have been around so many people discussing how creepy China's surveillance state is (and it is) but who don't have any particular problem with the data broker industry in the US. Many people see it as maybe creepy, but not a real problem. We just outsourced the work.

                              "They have cameras everywhere" Lady, you have a Ring doorbell on your porch.

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                              • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                                @utf_7 @evacide >> as long as people are blindly and happily using the services hoarding the data, data brokers will be around.

                                I can’t opt out of having my data collected and then sold to data brokers by credit bureaus and if you’re American, you can’t either.

                                And that’s just the example I can think of off the top of my head.

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                                @MisuseCase @utf_7 @evacide there are plenty of little ways to add friction to the system. Everything helps. E.g. the Duckduckgo Android app comes with a tracking blocker. I've not used any of these apps recently!

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                                  @MisuseCase @utf_7 @evacide there are plenty of little ways to add friction to the system. Everything helps. E.g. the Duckduckgo Android app comes with a tracking blocker. I've not used any of these apps recently!

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                                  @JSAMcFarlane @utf_7 @evacide I do stuff like that and also pay a service that removes me from most data broker lists.

                                  But my point is that you can’t stay out of data brokers’ databases by not using Instagram, or using VPNs, or whatever. Maybe you can stay off their lists by living off the grid in the woods and not even having a bank account. But maybe not even then.

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                                  • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                                    @JSAMcFarlane @utf_7 @evacide I do stuff like that and also pay a service that removes me from most data broker lists.

                                    But my point is that you can’t stay out of data brokers’ databases by not using Instagram, or using VPNs, or whatever. Maybe you can stay off their lists by living off the grid in the woods and not even having a bank account. But maybe not even then.

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                                    @MisuseCase @JSAMcFarlane @evacide

                                    how do they get your data then when not using their services?

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                                    • utf_7@mastodon.socialU utf_7@mastodon.social

                                      @MisuseCase @JSAMcFarlane @evacide

                                      how do they get your data then when not using their services?

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                                      @utf_7 @MisuseCase @evacide I presume they're running in the background. I don't generally go out of my way to grant permissions to apps, but they're under pressure to assist the brokers in collecting data from us all the time.

                                      Try installing DuckDuckGo just to turn on the service. It's basically a firewall (and a leaky one at that). You'll be shocked how much data all your apps are giving up about you!

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                                      • jsamcfarlane@mastodon.ieJ jsamcfarlane@mastodon.ie

                                        @utf_7 @MisuseCase @evacide I presume they're running in the background. I don't generally go out of my way to grant permissions to apps, but they're under pressure to assist the brokers in collecting data from us all the time.

                                        Try installing DuckDuckGo just to turn on the service. It's basically a firewall (and a leaky one at that). You'll be shocked how much data all your apps are giving up about you!

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                                        @JSAMcFarlane @MisuseCase @evacide

                                        i have e/os with an integrated blocker

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