Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
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My line: By the time you hit a bully, he's already won.
Violence is their game, not ours. The trick is to mock them early and often. Laughter is kryptonite to bullies.
@Uair @futurebird
I will tell you from experience: you hit a coward and they lose. Bullies are cowards — that's why they pick on people they think won't hit back.Christian moral purity is what got us where we are. Not hitting back makes more violence happen.
Violence has knock-on effects, and it's not the best tool in the box, but sometimes it's the tool that fits the problem. Violence isn't the game. It's a tactic. The game is where we use every tool to make a more just society.
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@Uair @futurebird
I will tell you from experience: you hit a coward and they lose. Bullies are cowards — that's why they pick on people they think won't hit back.Christian moral purity is what got us where we are. Not hitting back makes more violence happen.
Violence has knock-on effects, and it's not the best tool in the box, but sometimes it's the tool that fits the problem. Violence isn't the game. It's a tactic. The game is where we use every tool to make a more just society.
Yes, I'm on the same page. We didn't mock them early enough, now we have to get down in the gutter with them.
The problem with that is they're fucking vampires. They turn you into themselves. Look at postwar America, or Israel today. I'm not against violence in principle, it's just usually the cheap shitty solution that sets up the next problem.
I guess it's analogous to the familial cycle of abuse, but on a national level.
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Yes, I'm on the same page. We didn't mock them early enough, now we have to get down in the gutter with them.
The problem with that is they're fucking vampires. They turn you into themselves. Look at postwar America, or Israel today. I'm not against violence in principle, it's just usually the cheap shitty solution that sets up the next problem.
I guess it's analogous to the familial cycle of abuse, but on a national level.
@Uair @futurebird
My concern about the "guillotine" talk that's going around is that it's hard to get it back in the box once you're done.OTOH, French Revolution didn't have a way toward a functioning social democracy without executing the Noble class. Nobles stopped each other from devolving their power.
The first result was their execution and the redistribution of their resources. The second was years of traumatic public executions based on rumor and petty dislikes.
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@Uair @futurebird
My concern about the "guillotine" talk that's going around is that it's hard to get it back in the box once you're done.OTOH, French Revolution didn't have a way toward a functioning social democracy without executing the Noble class. Nobles stopped each other from devolving their power.
The first result was their execution and the redistribution of their resources. The second was years of traumatic public executions based on rumor and petty dislikes.
I recently read an article titled something like "against the guillotine" detailing how, once that watershed had been breached, the various factions of revolutionaries started using it on each other. That's similar to what I wrote, actually.
Also, I personally think cowards are a lot more dangerous than brave people. 1) Brave people can, and almost always do, have honor. 2) Cowards run in packs. They line up behind the bully in order to not be his target. Even without guns, a dozen fourteen year olds with a couple baseball bats are undefeatable for any solo fighter.
So it's better to never open that box in the first place. You wouldn't think so to talk to me, but I came up pretty rough and never had to use actual violence. The only time it would have been acceptable was when I was age 9 to 11 or so, when the entire playground would attack me. 100-on-1 mob attacks, and if I just went psycho on the ringleaders it would have stopped. Unfortunately, I had a pacifist father telling me never to hit anyone. (Side note--I've only ever met one real pacifist. The rest were cowards hiding behind philosophy.) If interested--I solved that problem by flopping. The kids enjoyed the chase a lot more than the kicking, so I'd just lay down on the asphalt with my arms over my head.
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I recently read an article titled something like "against the guillotine" detailing how, once that watershed had been breached, the various factions of revolutionaries started using it on each other. That's similar to what I wrote, actually.
Also, I personally think cowards are a lot more dangerous than brave people. 1) Brave people can, and almost always do, have honor. 2) Cowards run in packs. They line up behind the bully in order to not be his target. Even without guns, a dozen fourteen year olds with a couple baseball bats are undefeatable for any solo fighter.
So it's better to never open that box in the first place. You wouldn't think so to talk to me, but I came up pretty rough and never had to use actual violence. The only time it would have been acceptable was when I was age 9 to 11 or so, when the entire playground would attack me. 100-on-1 mob attacks, and if I just went psycho on the ringleaders it would have stopped. Unfortunately, I had a pacifist father telling me never to hit anyone. (Side note--I've only ever met one real pacifist. The rest were cowards hiding behind philosophy.) If interested--I solved that problem by flopping. The kids enjoyed the chase a lot more than the kicking, so I'd just lay down on the asphalt with my arms over my head.
@Uair @futurebird
I wish I believed that there was a way out that didn't require going through. -
@Uair @futurebird
I wish I believed that there was a way out that didn't require going through.Maybe we'll get lucky. Hungary seems to be on the mend without a civil war. It could happen.
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Maybe we'll get lucky. Hungary seems to be on the mend without a civil war. It could happen.
@Uair
It could. The fact that this show is being run by incompetent boobs makes a peaceful resolution that much more likely. -
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