Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
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@futurebird (though we worry about that inadvertently promoting elitist narratives or overly hierarchical theories of change, and don't encourage mass adoption of it as a slogan)
@ireneista
This thread reminds me of something Andrewism said recently. Paraphrased: anarchists in still use force, though not for enforcing authority nor for creating hierarchies.Do We Need Leaders
2:54 first mention of force
11:32 second mention- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
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UPDATE: found it.
Let me see if I can find the source. I binged his videos so they are blending together in my head.
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@ireneista
This thread reminds me of something Andrewism said recently. Paraphrased: anarchists in still use force, though not for enforcing authority nor for creating hierarchies.Do We Need Leaders
2:54 first mention of force
11:32 second mention- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
(www.youtube.com)
UPDATE: found it.
Let me see if I can find the source. I binged his videos so they are blending together in my head.
@futurebird@toolbear @futurebird ah! sounds highly relevant, thank you!
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@toolbear @futurebird ah! sounds highly relevant, thank you!
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@ireneista
This thread reminds me of something Andrewism said recently. Paraphrased: anarchists in still use force, though not for enforcing authority nor for creating hierarchies.Do We Need Leaders
2:54 first mention of force
11:32 second mention- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
(www.youtube.com)
UPDATE: found it.
Let me see if I can find the source. I binged his videos so they are blending together in my head.
@futurebirdA more in depth discussion of the conflation of authority and force, among other conflated concepts:
How Anarchy Works
6:05 Dissecting Authority
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@futurebird @JessTheUnstill oh, yes, the calls for respect are just straight-up lies. it is not a thing these assholes give a shit about, its point is purely to silence us.
@ireneista @futurebird @JessTheUnstill yeah, I will not forget that when Muller died, Trump said he was “glad”. It wasn’t violence, but Trump took pleasure in it.
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Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
The entire meta of being a bully is based on targeting the weakest people to show that you *might* not follow the same rules as everyone else if you don't get your way. Your transgression, your disregard for social order scares the mass of people into simply giving you what you want **without a fight.**
As soon as people start fighting back? Bullies loose. They are outnumbered.
@futurebird
One of the few effective lessons I learned in high school was that it's not even a matter of being outnumbered.Bullies pick on the people most unlikely to fight back because they're afraid.
You hit back, as hard as you can, and they fuckin run. You put snow down their shirt one time, and they start bowing their head when you pass them in gym class.
And then the other bullies sense not to mess with you.
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My line: By the time you hit a bully, he's already won.
Violence is their game, not ours. The trick is to mock them early and often. Laughter is kryptonite to bullies.
@Uair @futurebird
I will tell you from experience: you hit a coward and they lose. Bullies are cowards — that's why they pick on people they think won't hit back.Christian moral purity is what got us where we are. Not hitting back makes more violence happen.
Violence has knock-on effects, and it's not the best tool in the box, but sometimes it's the tool that fits the problem. Violence isn't the game. It's a tactic. The game is where we use every tool to make a more just society.
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@Uair @futurebird
I will tell you from experience: you hit a coward and they lose. Bullies are cowards — that's why they pick on people they think won't hit back.Christian moral purity is what got us where we are. Not hitting back makes more violence happen.
Violence has knock-on effects, and it's not the best tool in the box, but sometimes it's the tool that fits the problem. Violence isn't the game. It's a tactic. The game is where we use every tool to make a more just society.
Yes, I'm on the same page. We didn't mock them early enough, now we have to get down in the gutter with them.
The problem with that is they're fucking vampires. They turn you into themselves. Look at postwar America, or Israel today. I'm not against violence in principle, it's just usually the cheap shitty solution that sets up the next problem.
I guess it's analogous to the familial cycle of abuse, but on a national level.
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Yes, I'm on the same page. We didn't mock them early enough, now we have to get down in the gutter with them.
The problem with that is they're fucking vampires. They turn you into themselves. Look at postwar America, or Israel today. I'm not against violence in principle, it's just usually the cheap shitty solution that sets up the next problem.
I guess it's analogous to the familial cycle of abuse, but on a national level.
@Uair @futurebird
My concern about the "guillotine" talk that's going around is that it's hard to get it back in the box once you're done.OTOH, French Revolution didn't have a way toward a functioning social democracy without executing the Noble class. Nobles stopped each other from devolving their power.
The first result was their execution and the redistribution of their resources. The second was years of traumatic public executions based on rumor and petty dislikes.
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@Uair @futurebird
My concern about the "guillotine" talk that's going around is that it's hard to get it back in the box once you're done.OTOH, French Revolution didn't have a way toward a functioning social democracy without executing the Noble class. Nobles stopped each other from devolving their power.
The first result was their execution and the redistribution of their resources. The second was years of traumatic public executions based on rumor and petty dislikes.
I recently read an article titled something like "against the guillotine" detailing how, once that watershed had been breached, the various factions of revolutionaries started using it on each other. That's similar to what I wrote, actually.
Also, I personally think cowards are a lot more dangerous than brave people. 1) Brave people can, and almost always do, have honor. 2) Cowards run in packs. They line up behind the bully in order to not be his target. Even without guns, a dozen fourteen year olds with a couple baseball bats are undefeatable for any solo fighter.
So it's better to never open that box in the first place. You wouldn't think so to talk to me, but I came up pretty rough and never had to use actual violence. The only time it would have been acceptable was when I was age 9 to 11 or so, when the entire playground would attack me. 100-on-1 mob attacks, and if I just went psycho on the ringleaders it would have stopped. Unfortunately, I had a pacifist father telling me never to hit anyone. (Side note--I've only ever met one real pacifist. The rest were cowards hiding behind philosophy.) If interested--I solved that problem by flopping. The kids enjoyed the chase a lot more than the kicking, so I'd just lay down on the asphalt with my arms over my head.
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I recently read an article titled something like "against the guillotine" detailing how, once that watershed had been breached, the various factions of revolutionaries started using it on each other. That's similar to what I wrote, actually.
Also, I personally think cowards are a lot more dangerous than brave people. 1) Brave people can, and almost always do, have honor. 2) Cowards run in packs. They line up behind the bully in order to not be his target. Even without guns, a dozen fourteen year olds with a couple baseball bats are undefeatable for any solo fighter.
So it's better to never open that box in the first place. You wouldn't think so to talk to me, but I came up pretty rough and never had to use actual violence. The only time it would have been acceptable was when I was age 9 to 11 or so, when the entire playground would attack me. 100-on-1 mob attacks, and if I just went psycho on the ringleaders it would have stopped. Unfortunately, I had a pacifist father telling me never to hit anyone. (Side note--I've only ever met one real pacifist. The rest were cowards hiding behind philosophy.) If interested--I solved that problem by flopping. The kids enjoyed the chase a lot more than the kicking, so I'd just lay down on the asphalt with my arms over my head.
@Uair @futurebird
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@Uair @futurebird
I wish I believed that there was a way out that didn't require going through.Maybe we'll get lucky. Hungary seems to be on the mend without a civil war. It could happen.
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Maybe we'll get lucky. Hungary seems to be on the mend without a civil war. It could happen.
@Uair
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