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The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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  • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

    The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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    Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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    @campuscodi May not be a wise move on the vulnerability scanning. That's almost certainly gonna come back to bite him on his butt.

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    • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

      The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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      Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

      Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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      malin@dice.campM This user is from outside of this forum
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      @campuscodi
      The language is so safe you can't even read an article about it.

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      • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

        The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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        Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

        Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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        @campuscodi Bun--acquired by Anthropic--just had a huge, ridiculous PR opened to switch from Zig to Rust.

        Perhaps Anthropic tried to purchase Zig, and was told to pound sand?

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        • theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.socialT theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social

          @campuscodi Ya, this is it... the bottleneck isn't how many merge requests they get, it's their ability to review them. Every merde request (not a typo) is time taken away from actually developing zig.

          I don't see why so many other projects haven't figured this out yet. We don't need more merde requests for, we need to be able to read the merge requests we do get.

          Banning AI is a crude way to do this, but unless someone wants to start paying for armies of reviewers to sort the slop...

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          @theeclecticdyslexic @campuscodi Oh, no, what you're supposed to do is have the slop machines review the PR.

          I'm not joking. That's literal the thought process.

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          • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

            The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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            Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

            Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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            @campuscodi I love how the domain it's dealt with in is code of conduct.

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            • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

              The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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              Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

              Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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              tris@chaos.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @campuscodi Do the same for horse64 @ell1e 😛

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              • tris@chaos.socialT tris@chaos.social

                @campuscodi Do the same for horse64 @ell1e 😛

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                @tris @campuscodi if you have a proposal of how this should be expanded, let me know: https://horse64.org/docs/How%20to%20Contribute#why-ai-contributions-are-not-allowed

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                • eestileib@tech.lgbtE eestileib@tech.lgbt

                  @corpsmoderne @johan_andersson @campuscodi

                  Rust has lisp-sized social problems as far as I can tell.

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                  @eestileib @corpsmoderne @johan_andersson @campuscodi what does that mean?

                  Both "what does it mean for a (social?) problem to be lisp-sized" and "what did you want to communicate with that post"?

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                  • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                    The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                    Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

                    Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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                    @campuscodi next they will ban anyone using Dvorak to make patches.

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                    • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                      The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                      Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

                      Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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                      @campuscodi This got me curious, so I looked at GCC and clang. GCC is still working on it:

                      working-group-ai-policy - GCC Wiki

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                      LLVM allows slop, which disappointed me, even if they include language which suggests that the contributor should be accountable for the code:

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                      I wonder how the complete lack of clarity around slop contributions is acceptable to the projects.

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                        @campuscodi Guess #Zig devs are mad their flagship project #Bun is being ported to #Rust by #Claude #AI.

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                        @johan_andersson @campuscodi could you not spam hashtags inside your message ? this really messes up the flow with screen readers, making your posts less accessible

                        also that change was before bun got "rewritten" in rust

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                        • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                          The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                          @campuscodi lol - a Programming language that bans vulnerability research … says it all.

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                          • dag@chaos.socialD dag@chaos.social

                            @campuscodi lol - a Programming language that bans vulnerability research … says it all.

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                            @dag @campuscodi

                            Where the heck did you read *that*?

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                            • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                              @campuscodi May not be a wise move on the vulnerability scanning. That's almost certainly gonna come back to bite him on his butt.

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                              @Beggarmidas @campuscodi

                              About that… ask the cURL developers how well that work(ed) for them. TL;DR: they were drowning in LLM generated vulnerability reports, of which only a tiny fraction were actually valid. Any tool that dramatically degrades the signal-to-noise ratio does more harm than good.

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                              • datenwolf@chaos.socialD datenwolf@chaos.social

                                @dag @campuscodi

                                Where the heck did you read *that*?

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                                @datenwolf @campuscodi „The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all“

                                OP said that. Banning any kind of vulnerability research is stupid. If you allow fuzzing why not allow AI based?

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                                • dag@chaos.socialD dag@chaos.social

                                  @datenwolf @campuscodi „The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all“

                                  OP said that. Banning any kind of vulnerability research is stupid. If you allow fuzzing why not allow AI based?

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                                  @dag @campuscodi

                                  Yes?!

                                  Banning LLM generated "vulnerability" ""research"" is the proper proactive move. They've taken the lesson from cURL which was drowning in LLM generated vuln reports, of which only a tiny fraction was actually valid; the rest was fabricated noise.

                                  If the signal-to-noise ratio gets degraded by some "tool", than this tool does more ham than good, as it will obscure legit reports.

                                  The fabricated reports take away time from looking at the legit stuff.

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                                  • datenwolf@chaos.socialD datenwolf@chaos.social

                                    @dag @campuscodi

                                    Yes?!

                                    Banning LLM generated "vulnerability" ""research"" is the proper proactive move. They've taken the lesson from cURL which was drowning in LLM generated vuln reports, of which only a tiny fraction was actually valid; the rest was fabricated noise.

                                    If the signal-to-noise ratio gets degraded by some "tool", than this tool does more ham than good, as it will obscure legit reports.

                                    The fabricated reports take away time from looking at the legit stuff.

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                                    @dag @campuscodi

                                    Also they're not banning the submission of reports on issues that a human has thought through and written a PoC by hand, even if the actual detection of the issue was found by some AI tool.

                                    What's banned is offloading the whole work of "detection / PoC / writing report / submission" to AI. We want whoever did the submission also have thorough understanding of what's going on; we want to be able to inquire the thought process. You can't introspect an LLM.

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                                    • datenwolf@chaos.socialD datenwolf@chaos.social

                                      @dag @campuscodi

                                      Yes?!

                                      Banning LLM generated "vulnerability" ""research"" is the proper proactive move. They've taken the lesson from cURL which was drowning in LLM generated vuln reports, of which only a tiny fraction was actually valid; the rest was fabricated noise.

                                      If the signal-to-noise ratio gets degraded by some "tool", than this tool does more ham than good, as it will obscure legit reports.

                                      The fabricated reports take away time from looking at the legit stuff.

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                                      @datenwolf @campuscodi you should read up on that. Curl does use AI to identify vulnerabilities themselves:

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                                      yes, as in singular one. Back in April 2026 Anthropic caused a lot of media noise when they concluded that their new AI model Mythos is dangerously good at finding security flaws in source code. Apparently Mythos was so good at this that Anthropic would not release this model to the public yet but instead … Continue reading Mythos finds a curl vulnerability →

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                                      Vulnerability submission != vulnerability research.
                                      If they would require a human in the loop before submitting vulns, that would make sense. To ban usage of AI for vulnerability research is just plain stupid. To disallow any method to find vulnerabilities is security by obscurity and should be treated as such.

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                                      • datenwolf@chaos.socialD datenwolf@chaos.social

                                        @dag @campuscodi

                                        Also they're not banning the submission of reports on issues that a human has thought through and written a PoC by hand, even if the actual detection of the issue was found by some AI tool.

                                        What's banned is offloading the whole work of "detection / PoC / writing report / submission" to AI. We want whoever did the submission also have thorough understanding of what's going on; we want to be able to inquire the thought process. You can't introspect an LLM.

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                                        @datenwolf @campuscodi then tell OP to update his hilarious „AI bad“ post to reflect that - not me.

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                                        • datenwolf@chaos.socialD datenwolf@chaos.social

                                          @Beggarmidas @campuscodi

                                          About that… ask the cURL developers how well that work(ed) for them. TL;DR: they were drowning in LLM generated vulnerability reports, of which only a tiny fraction were actually valid. Any tool that dramatically degrades the signal-to-noise ratio does more harm than good.

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                                          @datenwolf @Beggarmidas @campuscodi well, that is just outdated information. Now they are mostly high quality reports... https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/04/22/high-quality-chaos/

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