It's clear that AI assisted coding is dividing developers (welcome to the culture wars!).
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It's clear that AI assisted coding is dividing developers (welcome to the culture wars!). I've seen a few blog posts now that talk about how some people just "love the craft", "delight in making something just right, like knitting", etc, as opposed to people who just "want to make it work". As if that explains the divide.
How about this, some people resent the notion of being a babysitter to a stochastic token machine, hastening their own cognitive decline. Some people resent paying rent to a handful of US companies, all coming directly out of the TESCREAL human extinction cult, to be able to write software. Some people resent the "worse is better" steady decline of software quality over the past two decades, now supercharged. Some people resent that the hegemonic computing ecosystem is entirely shaped by the logic of venture capital. Some people hate that the digital commons is walled off and sold back to us. Oh and I guess some people also don't like the thought of making coding several orders of magnitude more energy intensive during a climate emergency.
But sure, no, it's really because we mourn the loss of our hobby.
@plexus I mean, I *do* also mourn the loss of my hobby
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@neal @tiotasram @matt @hanshuebner When you cite clearly biased industry-sponsored "research" as a credible source, it makes it hard to believe you have the same goals and values on this as I do.
And a belief that we do have shared goals and values is a necessary prerequisite for taking serious any advice you might give on how to achieve those goals.
Without that it comes across as concern trolling.
@dalias @tiotasram @matt @hanshuebner My *point* is that it isn't a topic the AI labs are ignoring, because they would be absolutely stupid to ignore it. But just saying "no AI" isn't going to work anymore. There needs to be a framework to push things in a direction that improves the value for society and the world.
Even the environmental angle is something that people are looking at: https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.21419
We're at the beginning of something, and everything sucks at the beginning, sadly.
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@plexus I mean, I *do* also mourn the loss of my hobby
@jack fair enough
but you can still practice your hobby! I don't immediately see you ending up in a position where your manager is putting you on a PIP cause you're not reaching your token quota. -
It's clear that AI assisted coding is dividing developers (welcome to the culture wars!). I've seen a few blog posts now that talk about how some people just "love the craft", "delight in making something just right, like knitting", etc, as opposed to people who just "want to make it work". As if that explains the divide.
How about this, some people resent the notion of being a babysitter to a stochastic token machine, hastening their own cognitive decline. Some people resent paying rent to a handful of US companies, all coming directly out of the TESCREAL human extinction cult, to be able to write software. Some people resent the "worse is better" steady decline of software quality over the past two decades, now supercharged. Some people resent that the hegemonic computing ecosystem is entirely shaped by the logic of venture capital. Some people hate that the digital commons is walled off and sold back to us. Oh and I guess some people also don't like the thought of making coding several orders of magnitude more energy intensive during a climate emergency.
But sure, no, it's really because we mourn the loss of our hobby.
@plexus
I agree with all of this, but also I'm definitely one of the "love the craft", "delight in making something just right, like knitting" people! -
@jack fair enough
but you can still practice your hobby! I don't immediately see you ending up in a position where your manager is putting you on a PIP cause you're not reaching your token quota.@plexus @jack as someone who is simultaneously mourning the lost craft and excited to learn a powerful new tool, I don't think the token quotas are the problem. The problem is the tool works. The marketing hype is still BS of course but LLMs really does mechanize the production of a great deal of code.
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