Interesting fact:Why do "vibe coders" put such a premium on stating how they don't even check the code or how it's all from the LLM?
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@tante it's a demonstration of faith, and that is meaningful in a religious craze
@SnoopJ might be. It's still very weird
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Interesting fact:
Why do "vibe coders" put such a premium on stating how they don't even check the code or how it's all from the LLM? Like, if "AI" was just a tool, you'd be building all kinds of stuff but would you need to mostly talk about how you "built it just with AI"? It does at least hint at something weird going on here.@tante I just take it as bragging.
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@tante I just take it as bragging.
@scottmichaud But does it? It's not a display of skill and I don't feel like they get the kind of recognition that "bragging" would point at. Write about how you use "AI" you get a lot of shit (for very good reasons)
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@scottmichaud But does it? It's not a display of skill and I don't feel like they get the kind of recognition that "bragging" would point at. Write about how you use "AI" you get a lot of shit (for very good reasons)
@tante Personally, my brain goes to "They're not confessing. They're bragging."
It's dumb but... it's dumb.
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It is specifically weird because - outside of a few specific circles - "I just had an LLM generate some code I didn't check" does not give you praise but ridicule or even attacks. So it must be very relevant to say that instead of just using the magic machine and not saying anything.
@tante that reminded me if when I've if my clients came up with a "slogan" of Bold Agile Courageous " as a corporate value thing. I just couldn't feel that courageous is a good one for an IT department. Reminded me of the yes minister episode.
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So either is is a form of prayer or ritual, a spiritual thing to enforce one's own belief? Or is it a shibboleth to mark your affiliation: Kind of like mafia members used to commit crimes in front of one another to show one's authentic affiliation?
@tante I tend to see it more like the behavior of bragging teenagers... everybody knows that it's dumb but nobody is gonna admit it... also so they can blame mistakes on the "AI" & they did only the cool parts...
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Interesting fact:
Why do "vibe coders" put such a premium on stating how they don't even check the code or how it's all from the LLM? Like, if "AI" was just a tool, you'd be building all kinds of stuff but would you need to mostly talk about how you "built it just with AI"? It does at least hint at something weird going on here.@tante The description sounds like they have to pretend that they *could* check the generated code, if they wanted to. Gives them an excuse when things go wrong without ever actually having to do it.
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@scottmichaud But does it? It's not a display of skill and I don't feel like they get the kind of recognition that "bragging" would point at. Write about how you use "AI" you get a lot of shit (for very good reasons)
@tante @scottmichaud There's this sense pervasive among the most insistent enthusiasts that the future of not looking at the code is inevitable and in the process of arriving, so they're bragging that they've embraced their own obsolescence (though they'll all swear up down and sideways that they're just operating at "a higher level of abstraction"). Weird sort of futurist nihilism but somehow infectious.
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So either is is a form of prayer or ritual, a spiritual thing to enforce one's own belief? Or is it a shibboleth to mark your affiliation: Kind of like mafia members used to commit crimes in front of one another to show one's authentic affiliation?
@tante Just today I was experimenting with claude, using it to build a simple web-based game. At one point, when it implemented tests for a new set of messages, it deleted the tests for all of the rest of the message handlers. If I hadn’t been inspecting the code as it went along, I would not have noticed.
I haven’t written any code so far, but I have been inspecting the code and then providing a set of “best practices” that guide the agent to produce the code in the way that I want it. Today I added the idea that message tests should be write-once, and only modified when explicitly asked.
I suspect that people who are vibe-coding without even looking at the code can have some success, but that it leaves a lot of holes in the code that will eventually make things break in ways that they won’t be able to easily (or cheaply?) fix.
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@tante @scottmichaud There's this sense pervasive among the most insistent enthusiasts that the future of not looking at the code is inevitable and in the process of arriving, so they're bragging that they've embraced their own obsolescence (though they'll all swear up down and sideways that they're just operating at "a higher level of abstraction"). Weird sort of futurist nihilism but somehow infectious.
@delta_vee @tante @scottmichaud At the core of the current hype cycle are the unreliable promises of computers knowing what humans really want to do. It is as if the lottery machine would spin out the right numbers every time, even when systems have been designed to produce volume of output, not accurate matches.
By telling people that they don't check the output of their tools, they are putting their own careers on the top of unstable pile of things. Many things can go wrong with the automated random text generators, and people can lose their right to do business in many types of careers if they blindly trust the machine.
Examples are already widely seen on the legal field where lawyers are getting warnings from judges for bringing in faked evidence and false quotations to court cases. Technology field is still more socially allowing for the LLM mess, but it will be a bad day when courts start to rule that startups don't own their own IPR anymore, because founders vibe coded things up from random 3rd party code snippets.
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Interesting fact:
Why do "vibe coders" put such a premium on stating how they don't even check the code or how it's all from the LLM? Like, if "AI" was just a tool, you'd be building all kinds of stuff but would you need to mostly talk about how you "built it just with AI"? It does at least hint at something weird going on here.@tante to me it reads in the same tone as "bro I drank so much last night you wouldn't believe how fucked up I was"
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Interesting fact:
Why do "vibe coders" put such a premium on stating how they don't even check the code or how it's all from the LLM? Like, if "AI" was just a tool, you'd be building all kinds of stuff but would you need to mostly talk about how you "built it just with AI"? It does at least hint at something weird going on here.@tante
It's a cult.Again.
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