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Last year, my position was that we still had time to design PQ authentication mechanisms.

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  • filippo@abyssdomain.expertF This user is from outside of this forum
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    Last year, my position was that we still had time to design PQ authentication mechanisms.

    Now, based on the pace of progress and on statements like Google's, I believe:

    1. we need to finish rolling out PQ key exchange yesterday
    2. we need to start rolling out PQ auth now
    3. it's too late to ship any new non-PQ design or system

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    • filippo@abyssdomain.expertF filippo@abyssdomain.expert

      Last year, my position was that we still had time to design PQ authentication mechanisms.

      Now, based on the pace of progress and on statements like Google's, I believe:

      1. we need to finish rolling out PQ key exchange yesterday
      2. we need to start rolling out PQ auth now
      3. it's too late to ship any new non-PQ design or system

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      Quantum frontiers may be closer than they appear

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      freddy@social.security.plumbingF This user is from outside of this forum
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      @filippo I like their aggressive timeline, but I'm not sure there's any specific argument or reason that explains why it should be expedited. Am I missing something?

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      • filippo@abyssdomain.expertF filippo@abyssdomain.expert

        Last year, my position was that we still had time to design PQ authentication mechanisms.

        Now, based on the pace of progress and on statements like Google's, I believe:

        1. we need to finish rolling out PQ key exchange yesterday
        2. we need to start rolling out PQ auth now
        3. it's too late to ship any new non-PQ design or system

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        Quantum frontiers may be closer than they appear

        An overview of how Google is accelerating its timeline for post-quantum cryptography migration.

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        ikke@ipv6.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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        @filippo Interesting, I just cam across https://infosec.exchange/@mttaggart/116163107290977793 the other day, basically saying that it won't be feasible any time soon.

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        • freddy@social.security.plumbingF freddy@social.security.plumbing

          @filippo I like their aggressive timeline, but I'm not sure there's any specific argument or reason that explains why it should be expedited. Am I missing something?

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          @freddy @filippo as far as I can tell that timeline is because that is the timeline that has been set by NSA / NIST. Google is probably just trying to protect its access to sell devices / services to the government.

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          • filippo@abyssdomain.expertF filippo@abyssdomain.expert

            Last year, my position was that we still had time to design PQ authentication mechanisms.

            Now, based on the pace of progress and on statements like Google's, I believe:

            1. we need to finish rolling out PQ key exchange yesterday
            2. we need to start rolling out PQ auth now
            3. it's too late to ship any new non-PQ design or system

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            Quantum frontiers may be closer than they appear

            An overview of how Google is accelerating its timeline for post-quantum cryptography migration.

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            ciantic@twit.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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            @filippo You got me interested to know what it would look like in authorized_keys, and can it be this short! Looks neat.

            ssh-mldsa44-ed25519 434f4d505349472d4d4c44534134342d456432353531392d534841353132

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            Composite ML-DSA Signatures for SSH

            Composite ML-DSA Signatures for SSH

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            • freddy@social.security.plumbingF freddy@social.security.plumbing

              @filippo I like their aggressive timeline, but I'm not sure there's any specific argument or reason that explains why it should be expedited. Am I missing something?

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              @freddy @filippo

              Scott Aaronson writes:

              "I’m going to close this post with a warning. When Frisch and Peierls wrote their now-famous memo in March 1940, estimating the mass of Uranium-235 that would be needed for a fission bomb, they didn’t publish it in a journal, but communicated the result through military channels only. As recently as February 1939, Frisch and Meitner had published in Nature their theoretical explanation of recent experiments, showing that the uranium nucleus could fission when bombarded by neutrons. But by 1940, Frisch and Peierls realized that the time for open publication of these matters had passed.

              "Similarly, at some point, the people doing detailed estimates of how many physical qubits and gates it’ll take to break actually deployed cryptosystems using Shor’s algorithm are going to stop publishing those estimates, if for no other reason than the risk of giving too much information to adversaries. Indeed, for all we know, that point may have been passed already. This is the clearest warning that I can offer in public right now about the urgency of migrating to post-quantum cryptosystems, a process that I’m grateful is already underway."

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              These days, the most common question I get goes something like this: A decade ago, you told people that scalable quantum computing wasn't imminent. Now, though, you claim it plausibly is imminent. Why have you reversed yourself?? I appreciated the friend of mine who paraphrased this as follows: "A decade ago you said you were…

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              • filippo@abyssdomain.expertF filippo@abyssdomain.expert

                Last year, my position was that we still had time to design PQ authentication mechanisms.

                Now, based on the pace of progress and on statements like Google's, I believe:

                1. we need to finish rolling out PQ key exchange yesterday
                2. we need to start rolling out PQ auth now
                3. it's too late to ship any new non-PQ design or system

                Link Preview Image
                Quantum frontiers may be closer than they appear

                An overview of how Google is accelerating its timeline for post-quantum cryptography migration.

                favicon

                Google (blog.google)

                flux@mastodon.unwi.reF This user is from outside of this forum
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                @filippo @cryptohagen are you following this? 🙂

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