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  • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

    "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

    I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

    You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

    What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

    Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
    https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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    @jenniferplusplus I believe it does not even make mistakes in the conventional sense, as mistakes require an ability to pursue truth.

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    • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

      "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

      I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

      You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

      What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

      Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
      https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

      emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @jenniferplusplus this. The fact that we allowed companies to get away with "computer says no" for so long led to this point. If we'd beat them around the head a decade to two back, with "and who owns the computer?! Who programmed it?! A human is responsible for this somewhere" then this technology would not have taken off anywhere close to as well.

      Can you imagine the liability insurance open AI would have to buy if you could sue them for incorrect results?

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      • ozzelot@mstdn.socialO ozzelot@mstdn.social

        @jenniferplusplus I believe it does not even make mistakes in the conventional sense, as mistakes require an ability to pursue truth.

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        @ozzelot @jenniferplusplus it's all "hallucination", sometimes it's incidentally correct

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        • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

          "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

          I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

          You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

          What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

          Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
          https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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          #5

          @jenniferplusplus right?! What else would you buy if right on the lable it said "this may not be what we say it is" ??

          So it may not be correct information, you don't know which part. You are using it to not have to do the legwork yourself. Do you
          Take what it gave you, fingers crossed the wrong bits are not too bad
          Or
          Do legwork to figure out what is wrong defeating the purpose?
          AND how do know your source is correct?

          #Ai continuing to learn will keep reintroducing bogusness exponentially!?

          jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ gbargoud@masto.nycG 2 Replies Last reply
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          • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

            @jenniferplusplus this. The fact that we allowed companies to get away with "computer says no" for so long led to this point. If we'd beat them around the head a decade to two back, with "and who owns the computer?! Who programmed it?! A human is responsible for this somewhere" then this technology would not have taken off anywhere close to as well.

            Can you imagine the liability insurance open AI would have to buy if you could sue them for incorrect results?

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            @emily_s @jenniferplusplus We totally memory-holed all that stuff about machine learning algorithms (really the same thing as AI, but the branding was different back then) and all the hype about how they’d make unbiased decisions. How did that turn out?

            Oh yeah. Garbage in, garbage out.

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            • crystal_fish_caves@mstdn.partyC crystal_fish_caves@mstdn.party

              @jenniferplusplus right?! What else would you buy if right on the lable it said "this may not be what we say it is" ??

              So it may not be correct information, you don't know which part. You are using it to not have to do the legwork yourself. Do you
              Take what it gave you, fingers crossed the wrong bits are not too bad
              Or
              Do legwork to figure out what is wrong defeating the purpose?
              AND how do know your source is correct?

              #Ai continuing to learn will keep reintroducing bogusness exponentially!?

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              @Crystal_Fish_Caves what would I buy? Very little.

              But, a lot more people than we like to think are gambling addicts. This hits the same psychological exploit as trading card packs, blind boxes, and loot crates. And a lot of the people who are the most vigorous proponents are effectively playing with someone else's money

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              • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                @emily_s @jenniferplusplus We totally memory-holed all that stuff about machine learning algorithms (really the same thing as AI, but the branding was different back then) and all the hype about how they’d make unbiased decisions. How did that turn out?

                Oh yeah. Garbage in, garbage out.

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                @MisuseCase @jenniferplusplus this isn't even that. This was companies setting up their systems so that when the computer says no that's it. They claim they can't do anything about it. Some how they got people to forget that someone programmed that computer to do that. It's not inevitable, it's not carved into the fabric of the universe, it's a few magnetic fields on a disk of rust that a human made and encoded. It can be changed. They just didn't want to and got away with it

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                • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                  "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                  I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                  You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                  What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                  Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                  https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                  #9

                  @jenniferplusplus Saying “AI can make mistakes” is exactly like saying “An adjustable rate mortgage can increase the interest rate at any time.” It’s not a question of “if”, but “how soon is it possible?”

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                  • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                    "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                    I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                    You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                    What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                    Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                    https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                    #10

                    @jenniferplusplus yeah it's a weak ass "CYA" for the AI vendors

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                    • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                      "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                      I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                      You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                      What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                      Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                      https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                      @jenniferplusplus

                      True…

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                      • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                        "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                        I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                        You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                        What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                        Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                        https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                        @jenniferplusplus scam culture

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                        • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                          "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                          I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                          You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                          What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                          Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                          https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                          #13

                          @jenniferplusplus

                          It's probably safer and easier to just do the job yourself...

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                          • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                            "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                            I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                            You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                            What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                            Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                            https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                            @jenniferplusplus They sure came up with an ingenious solution to the trolley problem tho- hide the switch thrower behind a wall and blame the victims for being on the wrong tracks

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                            • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                              "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                              I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                              You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                              What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                              Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                              https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                              @jenniferplusplus SMBC Comics had a take on that: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/blame

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                              • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

                                @ozzelot @jenniferplusplus it's all "hallucination", sometimes it's incidentally correct

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                                @pikesley @ozzelot @jenniferplusplus

                                and also they're not people so they don't hallucinate either. chatbots produce noise and the vc firms want that to be our fault.

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                                • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                                  "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                                  I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                                  You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                                  What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                                  Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                                  https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                                  @jenniferplusplus it's the all care, no responsibility clauses of software licences on speed.
                                  Peak billionaire-hoarder techbro, really, not new, just distilled stench.

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                                  • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

                                    @jenniferplusplus this. The fact that we allowed companies to get away with "computer says no" for so long led to this point. If we'd beat them around the head a decade to two back, with "and who owns the computer?! Who programmed it?! A human is responsible for this somewhere" then this technology would not have taken off anywhere close to as well.

                                    Can you imagine the liability insurance open AI would have to buy if you could sue them for incorrect results?

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                                    @emily_s @jenniferplusplus
                                    As a computer programmer, yes. There is no such thing as a computer error. It is one or more of:
                                    * programmer error
                                    * documentation error
                                    * user error (with a side-order of either documentation error or "user didn't bother to read the documentation")

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                                    • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

                                      @MisuseCase @jenniferplusplus this isn't even that. This was companies setting up their systems so that when the computer says no that's it. They claim they can't do anything about it. Some how they got people to forget that someone programmed that computer to do that. It's not inevitable, it's not carved into the fabric of the universe, it's a few magnetic fields on a disk of rust that a human made and encoded. It can be changed. They just didn't want to and got away with it

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                                      @emily_s @MisuseCase @jenniferplusplus

                                      I wouldn't actually blame computers for that; it's just one more iteration of the bureaucratic mindset: The Rules say so, and The Rules can't be changed.

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                                      • kerravonsen@mastodon.auK kerravonsen@mastodon.au

                                        @emily_s @jenniferplusplus
                                        As a computer programmer, yes. There is no such thing as a computer error. It is one or more of:
                                        * programmer error
                                        * documentation error
                                        * user error (with a side-order of either documentation error or "user didn't bother to read the documentation")

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                                        @kerravonsen @emily_s @jenniferplusplus While Intel were clearly at fault, I think people on the receiving end of the Pentium FDIV bug could reasonably describe that as a computer error

                                        (there are certainly hardware failures of a pernicious nature)

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                                        • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                                          "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                                          I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                                          You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                                          What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                                          Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                                          https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                                          @jenniferplusplus Yes! Thanks for articulating this, I couldn't put my finger on what annoyed me about it.

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