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  3. I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

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  • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

    I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

    Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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    @xgranade If I were less ethical, I’d create 1,000,000 accounts & boost this post 1,000,000 times.

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    • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

      (As an aside, I'm calling it "age verification" to reference media coverage, but even that is a pernicious disnomer. It's a requirement that identity be registered with a centralized agency, and that that centralized agency is a trusted attestor as to age. To wit, note how the iOS update to follow UK age verification laws mandates that users register their identities with US companies like credit card providers.)

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      Addendum: this is a good toot.

      Andrew (Television Executive) (@ajroach42@retro.social)

      There's a lot of legislation going around "for the children" right now that will have the impact of making us all less safe and free, making computers more difficult to use, and generally making life worse for everyone. Lots of folks are talking about this as if it is the only intended outcome of these laws, but it isn't Part of these laws are also about children. About controlling what kids can read, who they can talk to, what they can watch, and how they can interact with one another, making it harder for kids to use digital resources to learn about themselves and the world while at the same time making it easier for abusive and controlling parents to abuse and control their kids.

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      • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

        I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

        Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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        @xgranade

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        • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

          (As an aside, I'm calling it "age verification" to reference media coverage, but even that is a pernicious disnomer. It's a requirement that identity be registered with a centralized agency, and that that centralized agency is a trusted attestor as to age. To wit, note how the iOS update to follow UK age verification laws mandates that users register their identities with US companies like credit card providers.)

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          @xgranade

          And they will be the subject of data breaches. It's just a matter of time.

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          • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

            I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

            Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

            kierkegaanks@beige.partyK This user is from outside of this forum
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            @xgranade that’s just the US culture of total reification, not a left or right thing

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            • kierkegaanks@beige.partyK kierkegaanks@beige.party

              @xgranade that’s just the US culture of total reification, not a left or right thing

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              #30

              @Kierkegaanks Read the post again. My complaint is about how left- and center-wing commentators reinforced the general framing of parents' rights.

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              • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                @Kierkegaanks Read the post again. My complaint is about how left- and center-wing commentators reinforced the general framing of parents' rights.

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                @xgranade and their political affiliation is not relevant so the focus is wrong. We had that discourse 45 years ago and it was the same culture of objectification and ownership here. Since then our culture changed 180° but reactionaries are waiting to change it back

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                • kierkegaanks@beige.partyK kierkegaanks@beige.party

                  @xgranade and their political affiliation is not relevant so the focus is wrong. We had that discourse 45 years ago and it was the same culture of objectification and ownership here. Since then our culture changed 180° but reactionaries are waiting to change it back

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                  @Kierkegaanks For someone whose bio says "no reply guys," you sure are being a reply guy.

                  If you want to disagree with my point, then do so, but don't tell me how to make my point better. Say your own thing, don't condescend to me.

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                  • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                    I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                    Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                    @xgranade youth liberation now

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                    • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                      I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                      Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                      @xgranade For a philosophy of control, however, they are the perfect targets. And they can't speak for themselves cos no one ever allows them to. But if they treat their own kids like this no wonder the foreign kids are made to dig things out of the ground with their bare hands to service the West.

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                      • black_flag@beige.partyB black_flag@beige.party

                        @xgranade For a philosophy of control, however, they are the perfect targets. And they can't speak for themselves cos no one ever allows them to. But if they treat their own kids like this no wonder the foreign kids are made to dig things out of the ground with their bare hands to service the West.

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                        @Black_Flag Yep. There's also things like that kids haven't finished developing, almost by definition, and do some absolutely terribly ill-advised shit as a result. Making some choices on behalf of kids is part of respecting them and keeping them safe, so it's easy for authoritarians to slip truly heinous shit into that cultural space without setting off alarm bells.

                        Being critical and approaching things in terms of how to respect kids' rights first and foremost is the key, I think.

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                        • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                          @Black_Flag Yep. There's also things like that kids haven't finished developing, almost by definition, and do some absolutely terribly ill-advised shit as a result. Making some choices on behalf of kids is part of respecting them and keeping them safe, so it's easy for authoritarians to slip truly heinous shit into that cultural space without setting off alarm bells.

                          Being critical and approaching things in terms of how to respect kids' rights first and foremost is the key, I think.

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                          @Black_Flag Like, if you approach issues in terms of that kids are independent people with independent rights whom parents and the rest of society have a responsibility to, then it's much easier to navigate things without authoritarianism.

                          But too many parents *want* to be authoritarian, and as you point out, there's very little room for kids to fight back as compared with other marginalized groups.

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                          • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                            @Black_Flag Like, if you approach issues in terms of that kids are independent people with independent rights whom parents and the rest of society have a responsibility to, then it's much easier to navigate things without authoritarianism.

                            But too many parents *want* to be authoritarian, and as you point out, there's very little room for kids to fight back as compared with other marginalized groups.

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                            @xgranade Kids are in these times literally people who have no rights... even whilst it is claimed they do have them. But if you can't fight for a right yourself, in your own way and according to your own desire but must have someone do it for you then that is just empty words. The truth is kids are examples of what the authoritarians would prefer us all to be: powerless and obedient or else.

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                            • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                              I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                              Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                              @xgranade absofuckinglutely. It's been disappointing on so many levels.

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                              • aiefel@mastodon.socialA aiefel@mastodon.social

                                @xgranade so glad my teen turned 18 last month before this kind of stuff really landed, but it's awful for parents and kids and everyone else.

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                                @aiefel @xgranade Still both yours and your kid's data is going to be sold, misused, and probably leaked.

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                                • rhelune@todon.euR rhelune@todon.eu

                                  @aiefel @xgranade Still both yours and your kid's data is going to be sold, misused, and probably leaked.

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                                  @rhelune @xgranade true. We're still opting out. But it's different than having to manage a minor's privacy against the government. The VPNs aren't going away.

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                                  • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                                    I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                                    Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                                    @xgranade

                                    exactly

                                    children are NOT PROPERTY

                                    ugh

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                                    • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                                      I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                                      Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                                      @xgranade the only "parents' rights" I support are the rights to raise their kids and meet those kids' needs, like healthcare for example. But no no, not *those* rights, they just mean the "right" to abuse children

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                                      • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                                        I am so angry and disappointed at all the left- and center-wing commentators who bought into the right-wing framing of "parent's rights" as being more important than children's rights.

                                        Like, I'm sorry, but parents have *responsibilities to* kids, not *rights over* kids. Kids aren't property, they're living, breathing *people* who deserve care and love and privacy and dignity.

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                                        @xgranade Back then teens will throw parties they use to have teen raves though they get caught

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