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When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms.

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  • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

    @aral At least for Twitter, this is not true. Yeah, the page exhorts you to create an account - but it *does* show the post. At least on desktop; maybe it's different on mobile.

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    @bontchev @aral it doesn't show the comments though, so you can't see the full post if someone divided it into multiple subposts (the 1/3, 2/3, 3/3 thing in replies)

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    • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

      @aral At least for Twitter, this is not true. Yeah, the page exhorts you to create an account - but it *does* show the post. At least on desktop; maybe it's different on mobile.

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      @bontchev @aral yeah on mobile it doesn't a lot of the time. I get around this by toggling the "view as desktop site" on my mobile browser. This also works with instagram and Facebook sometimes. But sometimes it'll still redirect you to a login page.

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      • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

        @aral At least for Twitter, this is not true. Yeah, the page exhorts you to create an account - but it *does* show the post. At least on desktop; maybe it's different on mobile.

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        @bontchev @aral it seems X will allow certain accounts to be viewed without logging in, but not all.

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        • P patricus@gts.posix.live

          @aral malware

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          #47

          @patricus @aral

          That's the vibe I've always gotten from FB, why would I give you information which you'll only use to monitor me? That's just dumb.

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          • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

            When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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            @aral perfect example of why public agencies should not be using those as their primary press release forum.

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            • elettrona@poliversity.itE elettrona@poliversity.it

              @aral @_elena @vicfroh This is why I firmly condemn people relying to these platforms only. You have no way to follow their content, despite using RSS like civil people, but platforms deny the access to public, to force you joining.
              This should be illegal, at least because when you publicly post on those platforms and you choose "public post", they say "it's available inside and outside the platform".
              And, well, automated scanners can access those contents indexing them, while humans can't!
              And no, it's not the same thing of blogs' member-only contents. That's a different matter.

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              @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh and it's even worse when governments do it. Or public announcement services with important info, like natural disasters.

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              • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                @aral I don't listen to some podcasts I like anymore because they only use this platforms to stay in contact with listeners. So if you can not comment without account why should you listen to it - it must be an extraordinary high quality podcast with very important content where no comment is needed at all.

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                • dresstokilt@mastodon.socialD dresstokilt@mastodon.social

                  @aral perfect example of why public agencies should not be using those as their primary press release forum.

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                  @dresstokilt @aral THIS. Why I cannot fave it more than once???

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                  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                    @aral And this is what public #Mastodon posts look like!

                    Even viewed from a 3rd instance it's still fully visible without account

                    Basically on each server with public timelines etc so tens of thousands of places

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                    #52

                    @stux @aral Unless you have JavaScript disabled.

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                    • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                      When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                      @aral

                      I tried X again a few months ago and got a warning because I was posting about the Genocide in Gaza.
                      I kind of took it as a badge of honour, cos it's a horrendous place. So much racism!
                      I was shocked how over it was.

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                      • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                        When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                        @aral I understand where you're coming from, but since I regularly follow links and end up reading posts on X, Instagram and FB (though I might have to dismiss a popup), I know you have half a point. Sensitive content might be hidden, but I've never run in to an example. Admittedly I use this old thing called a laptop. YMMV on a smartphone.

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                        • kelson@notes.kvibber.comK kelson@notes.kvibber.com

                          @stux @aral Unless you have JavaScript disabled.

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                          #55

                          @kelson @aral In that case there is RSS or a client like bloat I believe

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                          • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                            When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                            @aral which you could argue is a good thing

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                            • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

                              @aral At least for Twitter, this is not true. Yeah, the page exhorts you to create an account - but it *does* show the post. At least on desktop; maybe it's different on mobile.

                              aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @bontchev I guess my screenshot tool was lying.

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                              • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                                @aral

                                It's even simpler. If you post on those platforms, I'll never see the post, as I decided long ago that twitter and facebook (now X, facebook, and instagram) don't need my traffic, ever. If it's important or ugly enough, I'm sure someone will screenshot it and repost, but you (and more importantly, the oligarchs) won't get my tracking or ad revenues.

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                                • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                  @aral And this is what public #Mastodon posts look like!

                                  Even viewed from a 3rd instance it's still fully visible without account

                                  Basically on each server with public timelines etc so tens of thousands of places

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                                  Fediverse code folk are the only public media authors to have any (actually, substantial) clue in the last 30 years. That sounds crazy written down but after a few days of thinking about it, i cant think of any others.

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                                  • mkj@social.mkj.earthM mkj@social.mkj.earth

                                    @_elena Personally, I would honestly rather see public institutions offering a variety of ways to access what they publish.

                                    Including easily located full-text RSS feeds through platforms they control. (Minimal third parties in between them and the people who want to access the information.)

                                    And yes, Fediverse and their own web sites.

                                    @aral

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                                    @mkj @_elena @aral also known as https://indieweb.org/POSSE

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                                    • oneinterestingfact@mastodon.ieO oneinterestingfact@mastodon.ie

                                      @aral

                                      Great stuff. If they post on there then I have to assume they don't want me to know what they have to say.
                                      And I really don't like to see mirrors of their posts on Mastodon so they can shout and they don't see any replies.

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                                      #61

                                      @aral

                                      Bernie Sanders does it too.
                                      He can FRO

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                                      • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                        When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                                        @aral Hell, I even see this for a lot of Bluesky posts

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                                        • amorpheus@kind.socialA amorpheus@kind.social

                                          @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh I fully agree that independent journalism requires financing that is independent from state or corporations.

                                          However, in my country for example, press codex states the duty of informing the public fully and truthful. Imho, the public includes such individuals that are less fortunate and not able to afford a subscription.

                                          50 years back, before digital publishing, printed newspapers could be evaluated without financial obligation... head articles at the least.

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                                          @Amorpheus @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh I've returned to subscribing to dead tree newspapers. Subscriptions usually offer access to the paper's website as well but I avoid reading online.

                                          One reason for this, besides that I can't be tracked as I leaf through the pages of a newspaper is that I can keep an archive of the news at home.

                                          I have found it increasingly difficult in recent years to find articles that I remember reading. And, old content seems to get deleted more often these days.

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