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  • marialeal@social.vivaldi.netM marialeal@social.vivaldi.net

    Bring popcorn, this is a developing story… 🍿
    (Happening rn on Threads)

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    @marialeal lol

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    • woe2you@beige.partyW woe2you@beige.party

      @asm @lea @marialeal The Chromium monopoly is easily as big a problem as forcing AI into everything.

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      @woe2you @asm @lea @marialeal

      Chromium isn't a monopoly. Firefox and other browsers exist. Chromium does have the majority market share, tho, and I agree this is on par with the forcing AI into everything problem.

      IMO Vivaldi gets points for avoiding AI. Only 5% of the code base is proprietary and it's only the UI. 90% is open source Chromium base. Vivaldi is privacy-friendly to the extent that they don't use and sell your data for profit. They've also built ProtonVPN into the browser and users can use the free tier without a ProtonVPN account. I think Firefox is inherently more privacy-friendly because it's not Chromium-based, and has the container tabs feature which Chromium-based browsers sorely lack.

      Zen, LibreWolf, and Waterfox are better Firefox skins if you want no-AI and more privacy-by-default settings, but they don't have mobile apps.

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      • hyperreal@tilde.zoneH hyperreal@tilde.zone

        @woe2you @asm @lea @marialeal

        Chromium isn't a monopoly. Firefox and other browsers exist. Chromium does have the majority market share, tho, and I agree this is on par with the forcing AI into everything problem.

        IMO Vivaldi gets points for avoiding AI. Only 5% of the code base is proprietary and it's only the UI. 90% is open source Chromium base. Vivaldi is privacy-friendly to the extent that they don't use and sell your data for profit. They've also built ProtonVPN into the browser and users can use the free tier without a ProtonVPN account. I think Firefox is inherently more privacy-friendly because it's not Chromium-based, and has the container tabs feature which Chromium-based browsers sorely lack.

        Zen, LibreWolf, and Waterfox are better Firefox skins if you want no-AI and more privacy-by-default settings, but they don't have mobile apps.

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        @hyperreal@tilde.zone @marialeal@social.vivaldi.net @asm@is.beeping.pet @woe2you@beige.party

        They've also built ProtonVPN into the browser and users can use the free tier without a ProtonVPN account
        i don't think cooperating with fascists is a selling point but you do you ​​

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        • lea@lea.petL lea@lea.pet

          @hyperreal@tilde.zone @marialeal@social.vivaldi.net @asm@is.beeping.pet @woe2you@beige.party

          They've also built ProtonVPN into the browser and users can use the free tier without a ProtonVPN account
          i don't think cooperating with fascists is a selling point but you do you ​​

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          @lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you Proton is audited. They're not fascists. If you are basing this opinion on the Twitter post from the CEO, then you don't understand cryptography lol. They can't access your data.

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          • hyperreal@tilde.zoneH hyperreal@tilde.zone

            @lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you Proton is audited. They're not fascists. If you are basing this opinion on the Twitter post from the CEO, then you don't understand cryptography lol. They can't access your data.

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            @hyperreal@tilde.zone @marialeal@social.vivaldi.net @asm@is.beeping.pet @woe2you@beige.party yes because fascism famously means insecure cryptography

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            • lea@lea.petL lea@lea.pet

              @hyperreal@tilde.zone @marialeal@social.vivaldi.net @asm@is.beeping.pet @woe2you@beige.party yes because fascism famously means insecure cryptography

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              @lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you I'm not sure I understand your reasoning then. How are they cooperating with fascists?

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              • hyperreal@tilde.zoneH hyperreal@tilde.zone

                @lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you Proton is audited. They're not fascists. If you are basing this opinion on the Twitter post from the CEO, then you don't understand cryptography lol. They can't access your data.

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                @hyperreal @lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you you do realize that, as long as you use proton's webclient from proton dot me, they can just simply ship whatever code they want to you, with no good tooling on your end to audit that they are not sending a "tailored" version specifically to you, which will hand over your keys / mails / whatever you're seeing?
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                • hyperreal@tilde.zoneH hyperreal@tilde.zone

                  @lea @marialeal @asm @woe2you I'm not sure I understand your reasoning then. How are they cooperating with fascists?

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                  @hyperreal @lea @marialeal @woe2you they've literally been openly praising fascists, can't get any clearer than that
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                  • asm@is.beeping.petA asm@is.beeping.pet
                    @hyperreal @lea @marialeal @woe2you they've literally been openly praising fascists, can't get any clearer than that
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                    @asm @lea @marialeal @woe2you Do you have a link to where they do this? You can get clearer, if you show me the evidence.

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                    • hyperreal@tilde.zoneH hyperreal@tilde.zone

                      @asm @lea @marialeal @woe2you Do you have a link to where they do this? You can get clearer, if you show me the evidence.

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                      @hyperreal @lea @marialeal @woe2you since it's originally a Twitter post, here:

                      xcancel.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660
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                        @SharpCheddarGoblin @asm @lea @woe2you @marialeal I mean, I think I'm pretty aware of what's going on in privacy topics, but I haven't heard of Proton AG openly praising fascists. If you can show me where, I'd have no argument then.

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                        • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

                          @makesubarugayagain @marialeal that's not Matt Damon...

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                          @elexia @makesubarugayagain @marialeal ben affleck maybe ?

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                          • martouf@piaille.frM martouf@piaille.fr

                            @elexia @makesubarugayagain @marialeal ben affleck maybe ?

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                            @martouf @makesubarugayagain @marialeal yeah

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                            • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

                              @makesubarugayagain @marialeal that's not Matt Damon...

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                              @elexia @marialeal sorry ben affleck, the last movie i saw in theaters was sorry to bother you.

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                              • marialeal@social.vivaldi.netM marialeal@social.vivaldi.net

                                Bring popcorn, this is a developing story… 🍿
                                (Happening rn on Threads)

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                                @marialeal This would be popcorn-worthy if firefox was a serious web browser.

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                                • woe2you@beige.partyW woe2you@beige.party

                                  @asm @lea @marialeal The Chromium monopoly is easily as big a problem as forcing AI into everything.

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                                  @woe2you Blame mozilla. They're the ones refusing to build the only remaining competitor into an actual competitor.

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                                  • hearts@pharmacy.puppygirl.icuH hearts@pharmacy.puppygirl.icu

                                    @lea @marialeal @asm vivaldi is especially bad because they brand themselves like an open source, privacy focused option, and then deliver nothing but a ui reskin and a disappointing builtin feed reader / mail client

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                                    @hearts @lea @asm @marialeal don't forget the bloat. Dear lord, *the bloat*.

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                                    • asm@is.beeping.petA asm@is.beeping.pet
                                      @ariarhythmic @lea @marialeal Firefox gets an okay cause you can make it good with a bunch of config tweaks. LibreWolf gets a good cause it does 90% of those config tweaks and more for you
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                                      @asm no amount of configuration is going to fix missing and/or broken engine features

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                                      • asm@is.beeping.petA asm@is.beeping.pet
                                        @hyperreal @lea @marialeal @woe2you since it's originally a Twitter post, here:

                                        xcancel.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660
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                                        @asm @lea @marialeal @woe2you I can't argue with that, and I was already aware of that Twitter post, but you made it sound like it was a general pattern of behavior among Proton employees. I don't know what else Andy Yen has posted in praise of fascists, but I don't think it's fair to act like he's tantamount to the likes of DHH.

                                        But, I accept your original point. Fair enough.

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                                        • marialeal@social.vivaldi.netM marialeal@social.vivaldi.net

                                          Bring popcorn, this is a developing story… 🍿
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                                          @marialeal "We didn't steal it! We asked the magical plagiarism machine and that's what it came up with!"

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