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  3. when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

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  • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

    when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

    gsuberland@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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    @lynn holy shit

    how much current is that thing supplying? I can't imagine needing that much smoothing even on a linear supply.

    or are they not even doing active regulation and it's straight up rawdogging off the diode bridge?

    regehr@mastodon.socialR realgene@hachyderm.ioR unlambda@hachyderm.ioU lynn@woof.techL 4 Replies Last reply
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    • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

      when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

      gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG This user is from outside of this forum
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      @lynn holy shit. i bet that could make your elbow tingle

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      • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

        @lynn holy shit

        how much current is that thing supplying? I can't imagine needing that much smoothing even on a linear supply.

        or are they not even doing active regulation and it's straight up rawdogging off the diode bridge?

        regehr@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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        @gsuberland @lynn the photo with the soda can made me clench a little

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        • regehr@mastodon.socialR regehr@mastodon.social

          @gsuberland @lynn the photo with the soda can made me clench a little

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          @regehr @lynn full of electrolytes

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          • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

            @lynn holy shit

            how much current is that thing supplying? I can't imagine needing that much smoothing even on a linear supply.

            or are they not even doing active regulation and it's straight up rawdogging off the diode bridge?

            realgene@hachyderm.ioR This user is from outside of this forum
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            @gsuberland @lynn
            Look at the size of the transformer, yup.
            60 Hz are BIG waves...

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            • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

              @lynn holy shit

              how much current is that thing supplying? I can't imagine needing that much smoothing even on a linear supply.

              or are they not even doing active regulation and it's straight up rawdogging off the diode bridge?

              unlambda@hachyderm.ioU This user is from outside of this forum
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              @gsuberland @lynn Looks like it's rawdogging the diode bridge: https://www.retrocmp.de/imsai/imsai_p05_psu.htm

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              • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                @regehr @lynn full of electrolytes

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                @gsuberland @lynn 😋

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                • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                  @lynn holy shit

                  how much current is that thing supplying? I can't imagine needing that much smoothing even on a linear supply.

                  or are they not even doing active regulation and it's straight up rawdogging off the diode bridge?

                  lynn@woof.techL This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @gsuberland you get unregulated +/-8V and +/-16 rails 🙂 you’re supposed to do the regulation on each s100 card separately depending on your needs 😄

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                  • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

                    @gsuberland you get unregulated +/-8V and +/-16 rails 🙂 you’re supposed to do the regulation on each s100 card separately depending on your needs 😄

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                    @gsuberland

                    (more from page 87 if you're interested in further details 😄 https://dn790007.ca.archive.org/0/items/imsai-user-manual/IMSAI_User_Manual.pdf)

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                    • lynn@woof.techL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @xconde “just” 0.095 farad 🙂

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                      • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

                        when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

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                        @lynn Wouldn’t want grab ahold of those leads when charged

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                        • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

                          when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

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                          @lynn
                          🎶 And when they turn the power on, it's sure to dim the lamps
                          With plus or minus sixteen volts and fourteen hundred amps
                          – Frank Hayes, "S-100 Bus"

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                          • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

                            when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

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                            @lynn the forbidden energy drink

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                            • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

                              when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

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                              @lynn feels like these could double as a smoke machine in a jiffy

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                              • lynn@woof.techL lynn@woof.tech

                                when I say that the IMSAI 8080 PSU has "soda can sized caps", I'm not joking

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                                @lynn I want to sip the power juice

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                                • halcy@icosahedron.websiteH halcy@icosahedron.website

                                  @lynn feels like these could double as a smoke machine in a jiffy

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                                  @lynn @halcy I once disassembled an unsalvageable Thing that I don’t even remember the purpose of and it had like ten 500 μF / 250 V capacitors the size of a small boulder (think 500 ml cycling water bottle) each

                                  …that were still rather charged.

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                                  • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                                    @lynn
                                    🎶 And when they turn the power on, it's sure to dim the lamps
                                    With plus or minus sixteen volts and fourteen hundred amps
                                    – Frank Hayes, "S-100 Bus"

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                                    @brouhaha @lynn i always wondered what that line was referring to... but last time i went digging i never found an answer... i guess now i know 😄

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                                    • fae@pony.socialF fae@pony.social

                                      @brouhaha @lynn i always wondered what that line was referring to... but last time i went digging i never found an answer... i guess now i know 😄

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                                      @fae @lynn
                                      The S-100 bus power supplies were nominally +8V, +16V, and -16V, filtered but unregulated. Each card was expected to have linear voltage regulators from +8V to +5V, and, if needed, ±16V to ±12V.
                                      The more cards in your system, the more amps of each supply you needed, though the "1400 amps" in the song is gross exaggeration.
                                      Early Altair 8800 systems, and some others, had small backplanes with few slots, and were provided with wimpy power supplies.
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                                      • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                                        @fae @lynn
                                        The S-100 bus power supplies were nominally +8V, +16V, and -16V, filtered but unregulated. Each card was expected to have linear voltage regulators from +8V to +5V, and, if needed, ±16V to ±12V.
                                        The more cards in your system, the more amps of each supply you needed, though the "1400 amps" in the song is gross exaggeration.
                                        Early Altair 8800 systems, and some others, had small backplanes with few slots, and were provided with wimpy power supplies.
                                        1/

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                                        @fae @lynn
                                        The most common configuration IMSAI 8080 provided 22 slots and a beefy power supply, which resulted in MITS and other S-100 vendors having to offer similar configurations.
                                        If you really did fill up a 22-slot backplane (e.g., with CPU, a few I/O cards, and sixteen 4K RAM.cards), you really needed a lot of amps. I'm sure that large S-100 system configurations were the inspiration for the song.
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                                        • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                                          @fae @lynn
                                          The most common configuration IMSAI 8080 provided 22 slots and a beefy power supply, which resulted in MITS and other S-100 vendors having to offer similar configurations.
                                          If you really did fill up a 22-slot backplane (e.g., with CPU, a few I/O cards, and sixteen 4K RAM.cards), you really needed a lot of amps. I'm sure that large S-100 system configurations were the inspiration for the song.
                                          2/

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                                          @fae @lynn
                                          While almost everyone is aware of the dangers of AC line voltage, it is uncommon for people to be aware of the potential danger of low voltages. Skin contact with the +/-16V DC in an S-100 system is incredibly unlikely to cause any harm. You can grab the +16 with one hand, and -16 with the other, and your skin has high enough resistance that nothing happens.
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