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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    At work we are part of a EU funded research project. These days it's actually expected to track your social media presence for "impact". So I have to listen to a 10 minute report by someone counting the amounts of likes some meaningless post got on instagram. This is a good investment of everyone's time and money.

    _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @tante ugh 😵‍💫 sorry you had to sit through that

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      At work we are part of a EU funded research project. These days it's actually expected to track your social media presence for "impact". So I have to listen to a 10 minute report by someone counting the amounts of likes some meaningless post got on instagram. This is a good investment of everyone's time and money.

      tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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      (No, the problem is _not_ that it focuses on commercial/proprietary platforms. I also think that research projects doing meaningless engagement farming on the Fediverse is bullshit)

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        At work we are part of a EU funded research project. These days it's actually expected to track your social media presence for "impact". So I have to listen to a 10 minute report by someone counting the amounts of likes some meaningless post got on instagram. This is a good investment of everyone's time and money.

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        #4

        "Our post about a presentation got 37 likes on LinkedIn".

        Oh, we're basically influencers now.

        tante@tldr.nettime.orgT kineticdiplomacy@infosec.exchangeK onepict@chaos.socialO 3 Replies Last reply
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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          At work we are part of a EU funded research project. These days it's actually expected to track your social media presence for "impact". So I have to listen to a 10 minute report by someone counting the amounts of likes some meaningless post got on instagram. This is a good investment of everyone's time and money.

          hbons@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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          @tante “your florps are looking good today, but keep an eye on the twootles ok?”

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            "Our post about a presentation got 37 likes on LinkedIn".

            Oh, we're basically influencers now.

            tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            This is not criticism of the project or the people doing that (soul-crushing) work. It's criticism of the funding structure and metrics applied to research and other public funding contexts.

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            • hbons@mastodon.socialH hbons@mastodon.social

              @tante “your florps are looking good today, but keep an eye on the twootles ok?”

              tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @hbons "Could you all please use your private accounts to click on the shloink button?"

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                "Our post about a presentation got 37 likes on LinkedIn".

                Oh, we're basically influencers now.

                kineticdiplomacy@infosec.exchangeK This user is from outside of this forum
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                @tante my favourite counter question: What was the cost per like? What was the impact?

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                • kineticdiplomacy@infosec.exchangeK kineticdiplomacy@infosec.exchange

                  @tante my favourite counter question: What was the cost per like? What was the impact?

                  tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @kineticdiplomacy Yeah but in this context we as a consortium have to do it. It's not the people tracking that's fault.

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    @kineticdiplomacy Yeah but in this context we as a consortium have to do it. It's not the people tracking that's fault.

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                    #10

                    @tante true. Still, if every EU project would name the cost, it might change the policy at some point.

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      "Our post about a presentation got 37 likes on LinkedIn".

                      Oh, we're basically influencers now.

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                      @tante I think it's a feeling of pressure. For example with NGI Assure, Funding box (partners for assure) and NGI for a long time were only on Twitter and Linkedin.

                      So when we did do some releases etc, I did feel pressure to post on a network where they were

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                      There is a bigger question to put to the EU and it's partners, particularly FundingBox who run getonepass.eu where it's basically the main gateway for small projects to apply for EU funding.

                      Why aren't they here?

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        At work we are part of a EU funded research project. These days it's actually expected to track your social media presence for "impact". So I have to listen to a 10 minute report by someone counting the amounts of likes some meaningless post got on instagram. This is a good investment of everyone's time and money.

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                        @tante

                        In my experience, EU funded research projects are much more useful to companies than to European people. They're just a way to have their business paid by someone else.

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          At work we are part of a EU funded research project. These days it's actually expected to track your social media presence for "impact". So I have to listen to a 10 minute report by someone counting the amounts of likes some meaningless post got on instagram. This is a good investment of everyone's time and money.

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                          @tante social media is a mistake, even if it is decentral and open

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            This is not criticism of the project or the people doing that (soul-crushing) work. It's criticism of the funding structure and metrics applied to research and other public funding contexts.

                            svines@gts.svines.rodeoS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @tante every time I hear stories like this I think more about how David Graeber was right. There has been a hostile takeover of our entire economy and government by useless MBAs generating this kind of bureaucracy to justify their own existence and make them feel important #BullshitJobs

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              This is not criticism of the project or the people doing that (soul-crushing) work. It's criticism of the funding structure and metrics applied to research and other public funding contexts.

                              koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @tante I've always thought these issues rather easy to address. For projects I keep short blog posts of stuff covered. This is to be recycled in yearly reports (so you don't have to harass people for details on their work on a tight deadline), but also for easy socials. It turns the logic around, with the socials as a side effect.

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                This is not criticism of the project or the people doing that (soul-crushing) work. It's criticism of the funding structure and metrics applied to research and other public funding contexts.

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                                @tante I can't say I disagree. However, is it money well spent if the researchers only talk about their issues and findings among themselves? What would be a better way to engage with the rest of the world...?

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  At work we are part of a EU funded research project. These days it's actually expected to track your social media presence for "impact". So I have to listen to a 10 minute report by someone counting the amounts of likes some meaningless post got on instagram. This is a good investment of everyone's time and money.

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                                  @tante I am the one doing the counting at our end. I hate what I have become. Apparently, this is the value of a PhD in science communication.

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                                  • konosocio@mastodon.onlineK konosocio@mastodon.online

                                    @tante I can't say I disagree. However, is it money well spent if the researchers only talk about their issues and findings among themselves? What would be a better way to engage with the rest of the world...?

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                                    @konosocio @tante Money can be well spent and still not be important to the rest of the world. Scientists can be obsessively consumed with answering questions and learning about topics that almost nobody else cares about but that turn out, much later, to have been critically important in unexpected ways.

                                    (Obligatory xkcd: https://m.xkcd.com/877/ )

                                    Instead of using social media to reach out, I'd love to see scientists take any money used for that and use it to document things that don't normally get documented officially in a shared repository, like:

                                    What things did you try that didn't work?

                                    Was there a thing you were expecting to happen that didn't?

                                    Did something unexpected happen but you didn't have time/a venue to write it up?

                                    What ideas do you have that you can't get funding for?

                                    What questions would you like to work on but you don't have an idea for how to solve them?

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