what are some more con artistry techniques
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what are some more con artistry techniques
1. make your mark believe they're an accomplice, that they're in on the scheme.
2. present vulnerability and ask for help (people unconsciously increase their trust of people *they* have helped, more than you trying to buy reciprocity by helping them, which is too obvious)
3. shamelessly validate them, smile a lot, praise a lot, make them feel special. don't be subtle. look at what LLMs do to people with nonstop praise.
4. spam to pre-filter and find the weak links. don't waste time trying to con the wary, locate the good marks. (e.g. phishing uses blatantly fake emails on purpose, because anyone responding to a misspelled message from a Saudi prince is more likely to be a doable target). if you're trying to infiltrate the secret nazi chat group, for example, find a casual low-ranking member who's lonely and eager for a good friend and doesn't care about opsec, like, approach random men at the rally and chat a bit and ask for their instagram, keep track of which ones have unsafe social media and seem forthcoming with information. then ask *them* to join the group.
5. shut up and keep them talking. validate everything they say. sound interested.
6. shamelessly honeypot.
7. find the gap in their soul and shamelessly promise you can fill it. interact always based on emotions, not logic or facts or arguments; how were they feeling when they said this? what do they want? what emotions will they feel when I send this message?
8. sell high to make them feel in control. float some 100% outrageous proposals that you know they'll deny; with each "no" they'll grow more secure you're not a threat. plus, the 50% outrageous proposals will feel like a compromise.
9. project confidence at all times, act not just like you belong, but act like they're lucky to have you there.
10. go for the long con, while keeping them focused on the short con. give them little wins at first.
11. gradually introduce absurd alternative realities so that they feel like, only you and me know the truth, you're cool you know what's up (cult/conspiracy techniques)
12. appeal to their circle of empathy (running a crowdfund to get nazis to do legal support to a fictional white woman on trial for saying a racist slur, for example)
13. be a slot machine (give them some sugar every so often but without rhyme or reason, so they get hooked on contacting you, rather than you chasing them)(please don't do this sort of thing to anyone who is not an enemy. con artistry is like pointing a gun, the morality of it depends entirely on who you point it at.)
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what are some more con artistry techniques
1. make your mark believe they're an accomplice, that they're in on the scheme.
2. present vulnerability and ask for help (people unconsciously increase their trust of people *they* have helped, more than you trying to buy reciprocity by helping them, which is too obvious)
3. shamelessly validate them, smile a lot, praise a lot, make them feel special. don't be subtle. look at what LLMs do to people with nonstop praise.
4. spam to pre-filter and find the weak links. don't waste time trying to con the wary, locate the good marks. (e.g. phishing uses blatantly fake emails on purpose, because anyone responding to a misspelled message from a Saudi prince is more likely to be a doable target). if you're trying to infiltrate the secret nazi chat group, for example, find a casual low-ranking member who's lonely and eager for a good friend and doesn't care about opsec, like, approach random men at the rally and chat a bit and ask for their instagram, keep track of which ones have unsafe social media and seem forthcoming with information. then ask *them* to join the group.
5. shut up and keep them talking. validate everything they say. sound interested.
6. shamelessly honeypot.
7. find the gap in their soul and shamelessly promise you can fill it. interact always based on emotions, not logic or facts or arguments; how were they feeling when they said this? what do they want? what emotions will they feel when I send this message?
8. sell high to make them feel in control. float some 100% outrageous proposals that you know they'll deny; with each "no" they'll grow more secure you're not a threat. plus, the 50% outrageous proposals will feel like a compromise.
9. project confidence at all times, act not just like you belong, but act like they're lucky to have you there.
10. go for the long con, while keeping them focused on the short con. give them little wins at first.
11. gradually introduce absurd alternative realities so that they feel like, only you and me know the truth, you're cool you know what's up (cult/conspiracy techniques)
12. appeal to their circle of empathy (running a crowdfund to get nazis to do legal support to a fictional white woman on trial for saying a racist slur, for example)
13. be a slot machine (give them some sugar every so often but without rhyme or reason, so they get hooked on contacting you, rather than you chasing them)(please don't do this sort of thing to anyone who is not an enemy. con artistry is like pointing a gun, the morality of it depends entirely on who you point it at.)
like, you want to find Dave. Dave is way more common than you would think. most enemy groups will have a good crop of Daves.
n.b. pay attention to Co-Conspirator 1's artistry here. it's *not*, as lots of people wrote online derisively, that Dave is somehow totally clueless. no, dear Dave is "my secret agent", "my special informant", he knows what's up—and then immediately after: how was your meeting? how's your important job? what do *you* think of this secret information, love? (you're such an expert! you have access to all this classified info, that proves you're special!)
Dave has this hot Russian agent all over him because his job is so real and important, he's living in a goddamn spy thriller right now; and how much more spiritually satisfying is that, compared to being a random mook barked at in the office room! life under capitalism is a void in the heart, of course he would try to stretch that fantasy life as long as he could, no matter what the critic in his head said. Co-Conspirator 1 is not a blunt instrument at all, she's finely crafted for the exact purpose. when you study her, compare her technique here to that of ASMR roleplay videos; the trick is to keep them in a suspended state like, I *know* she's just performing a role for the leaks/patreon rn, but also maybe she developed real feelings for me…?, but no she's just pretending to get the goods, but she's so nice to me specifically, what if… until they don't care anymore about whether the sugar is real or artificial, they're just craving the next hit of sweetness.
this is honeypotting but the same principle works for other forms of scamming, not necessarily *literally* seducing them, but also metaphorically with the promise of getting rich or strong or healthy or spiritually ascendant etc.
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what are some more con artistry techniques
1. make your mark believe they're an accomplice, that they're in on the scheme.
2. present vulnerability and ask for help (people unconsciously increase their trust of people *they* have helped, more than you trying to buy reciprocity by helping them, which is too obvious)
3. shamelessly validate them, smile a lot, praise a lot, make them feel special. don't be subtle. look at what LLMs do to people with nonstop praise.
4. spam to pre-filter and find the weak links. don't waste time trying to con the wary, locate the good marks. (e.g. phishing uses blatantly fake emails on purpose, because anyone responding to a misspelled message from a Saudi prince is more likely to be a doable target). if you're trying to infiltrate the secret nazi chat group, for example, find a casual low-ranking member who's lonely and eager for a good friend and doesn't care about opsec, like, approach random men at the rally and chat a bit and ask for their instagram, keep track of which ones have unsafe social media and seem forthcoming with information. then ask *them* to join the group.
5. shut up and keep them talking. validate everything they say. sound interested.
6. shamelessly honeypot.
7. find the gap in their soul and shamelessly promise you can fill it. interact always based on emotions, not logic or facts or arguments; how were they feeling when they said this? what do they want? what emotions will they feel when I send this message?
8. sell high to make them feel in control. float some 100% outrageous proposals that you know they'll deny; with each "no" they'll grow more secure you're not a threat. plus, the 50% outrageous proposals will feel like a compromise.
9. project confidence at all times, act not just like you belong, but act like they're lucky to have you there.
10. go for the long con, while keeping them focused on the short con. give them little wins at first.
11. gradually introduce absurd alternative realities so that they feel like, only you and me know the truth, you're cool you know what's up (cult/conspiracy techniques)
12. appeal to their circle of empathy (running a crowdfund to get nazis to do legal support to a fictional white woman on trial for saying a racist slur, for example)
13. be a slot machine (give them some sugar every so often but without rhyme or reason, so they get hooked on contacting you, rather than you chasing them)(please don't do this sort of thing to anyone who is not an enemy. con artistry is like pointing a gun, the morality of it depends entirely on who you point it at.)
btw cops do this stuff on you all the time to get you talking and fish for incriminating material
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do not assume "interrogation" is something that happens in the interrogation room, or that it's obvious things like asking you questions. they'll try to hit you at the emotions (false accusations, false offers of empathy, ragebaiting etc.) when you're vulnerable at a waiting corridor, in the GeSa, kesseled, anywhere basically. -
@anathem in this case it's specifically taking David Franklin Slater as a case study and generalising him as an archetype. no implications about other real or imagined people named Dave are intended
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like, you want to find Dave. Dave is way more common than you would think. most enemy groups will have a good crop of Daves.
n.b. pay attention to Co-Conspirator 1's artistry here. it's *not*, as lots of people wrote online derisively, that Dave is somehow totally clueless. no, dear Dave is "my secret agent", "my special informant", he knows what's up—and then immediately after: how was your meeting? how's your important job? what do *you* think of this secret information, love? (you're such an expert! you have access to all this classified info, that proves you're special!)
Dave has this hot Russian agent all over him because his job is so real and important, he's living in a goddamn spy thriller right now; and how much more spiritually satisfying is that, compared to being a random mook barked at in the office room! life under capitalism is a void in the heart, of course he would try to stretch that fantasy life as long as he could, no matter what the critic in his head said. Co-Conspirator 1 is not a blunt instrument at all, she's finely crafted for the exact purpose. when you study her, compare her technique here to that of ASMR roleplay videos; the trick is to keep them in a suspended state like, I *know* she's just performing a role for the leaks/patreon rn, but also maybe she developed real feelings for me…?, but no she's just pretending to get the goods, but she's so nice to me specifically, what if… until they don't care anymore about whether the sugar is real or artificial, they're just craving the next hit of sweetness.
this is honeypotting but the same principle works for other forms of scamming, not necessarily *literally* seducing them, but also metaphorically with the promise of getting rich or strong or healthy or spiritually ascendant etc.
As burglars, they used some unusual techniques, ones Davidon enjoyed recalling years later, such as what some of them did in 1970 at a draft board office in Delaware. During their casing, they had noticed that the interior door that opened to the draft board office was always locked. There was no padlock to replace, as they had done at a draft board raid in Philadelphia a few months earlier, and no one in the group was able to pick the lock. The break-in technique they settled on at that office must be unique in the annals of burglary. Several hours before the burglary was to take place, one of them wrote a note and tacked it to the door they wanted to enter: "Please don't lock this door tonight." Sure enough, when the burglars arrived that night, someone had obediently left the door unlocked. The burglars entered the office with ease, stole the Selective Service records, and left. They were so pleased with themselves that one of them proposed leaving a thank-you note on the door. More cautious minds prevailed. Miss Manners be damned, they did not leave a note.
amazing
the techniker ist informiert technique
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As burglars, they used some unusual techniques, ones Davidon enjoyed recalling years later, such as what some of them did in 1970 at a draft board office in Delaware. During their casing, they had noticed that the interior door that opened to the draft board office was always locked. There was no padlock to replace, as they had done at a draft board raid in Philadelphia a few months earlier, and no one in the group was able to pick the lock. The break-in technique they settled on at that office must be unique in the annals of burglary. Several hours before the burglary was to take place, one of them wrote a note and tacked it to the door they wanted to enter: "Please don't lock this door tonight." Sure enough, when the burglars arrived that night, someone had obediently left the door unlocked. The burglars entered the office with ease, stole the Selective Service records, and left. They were so pleased with themselves that one of them proposed leaving a thank-you note on the door. More cautious minds prevailed. Miss Manners be damned, they did not leave a note.
amazing
the techniker ist informiert technique
@elilla Me: [gets a set of lockpicks and learns to pick locks as a useful hobby]
Some pro: [Puts a fucking note on a door for somebody to leave a door unlocked]
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As burglars, they used some unusual techniques, ones Davidon enjoyed recalling years later, such as what some of them did in 1970 at a draft board office in Delaware. During their casing, they had noticed that the interior door that opened to the draft board office was always locked. There was no padlock to replace, as they had done at a draft board raid in Philadelphia a few months earlier, and no one in the group was able to pick the lock. The break-in technique they settled on at that office must be unique in the annals of burglary. Several hours before the burglary was to take place, one of them wrote a note and tacked it to the door they wanted to enter: "Please don't lock this door tonight." Sure enough, when the burglars arrived that night, someone had obediently left the door unlocked. The burglars entered the office with ease, stole the Selective Service records, and left. They were so pleased with themselves that one of them proposed leaving a thank-you note on the door. More cautious minds prevailed. Miss Manners be damned, they did not leave a note.
amazing
the techniker ist informiert technique
@elilla A nice read on the topic: Maria Konnikova, The Confidence Game
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