I am writing a blog post about why it is bad to use AI.
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@jay I need safari specifically and it looks like selenium works well enough
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we live in hell but at least PyPI works in hell
@glyph heh, my side project this week was the reverse of that - selenium to "run" a page (lots of javascript based partial execution) and click a button (which rewrote part of the page without reloading)... and then extract a URL from that and use requests to cleanly get a Location: header out (basically forcing the service to canonicalize itself for me.)
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serious question though, is there a requests (or httpx or treq or whatever) compatible selenium driver so that I can write a simple Python CLI that just says "give me URL please" and Safari does all the HTTP traffic so it can get the request body with all my ridiculous CAPTCHAs and news website logins in it
@glyph Yeah, halfway through this thread I was going to suggest Selenium so looks like you got it.
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serious question though, is there a requests (or httpx or treq or whatever) compatible selenium driver so that I can write a simple Python CLI that just says "give me URL please" and Safari does all the HTTP traffic so it can get the request body with all my ridiculous CAPTCHAs and news website logins in it
@glyph instead of Selenium, you may want to check out Playwright. https://pypi.org/project/playwright/
It allows browser automation in a very pythonic way - also headless. It installs its own Chrome/Firefox/Safari and avoids any configuration you done to your browser installs.
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@glyph instead of Selenium, you may want to check out Playwright. https://pypi.org/project/playwright/
It allows browser automation in a very pythonic way - also headless. It installs its own Chrome/Firefox/Safari and avoids any configuration you done to your browser installs.
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I am writing a blog post about why it is bad to use AI. It is extremely heavily sourced. I have a tedious automation problem formatting my citations. No problem, I think. I will write a computer program. The computer program does not work, because websites are blocking simple computer programs in an effort to block AI. Solution? Simple. Browser comes with AI embedded, browses like a human, has all my cookies. Just ask the AI. It sails through the primitive anti-AI measures easily.
@glyph When I think about "AI" I often think about how we had cities built to be navigated by people, and then we rebuilt the cities to be more easily navigated by cars, and now people without cars can't navigate the cities because we specifically designed them to require cars
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I am writing a blog post about why it is bad to use AI. It is extremely heavily sourced. I have a tedious automation problem formatting my citations. No problem, I think. I will write a computer program. The computer program does not work, because websites are blocking simple computer programs in an effort to block AI. Solution? Simple. Browser comes with AI embedded, browses like a human, has all my cookies. Just ask the AI. It sails through the primitive anti-AI measures easily.
@glyph@mastodon.social Rather than writing the browser to accept the AI, write the browser to be controlled from BASH + ZSH. Then we all can use it to our advantage. Not just the UI.
Web browsers are really lame... very old tech with piles of the worst engineering on top the world has ever seen. Worse than Windows 95/98. Worse than MacOS8. Worse than CICS+RACF. Worst product ever constructed.
But if you build the control mechanism for the web you can still redesign the web clients to be something decent. So that's the way I think it should be done... rather than an "AI interface for the web." -
@glyph When I think about "AI" I often think about how we had cities built to be navigated by people, and then we rebuilt the cities to be more easily navigated by cars, and now people without cars can't navigate the cities because we specifically designed them to require cars
an important lesson.
the flip side is that cities in the netherlands, in france, etc. have reversed this, reclaimed areas as more suitable for pedestrians and bikes. let's see if we can't do some trend reversal in tech too.
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@glyph When I think about "AI" I often think about how we had cities built to be navigated by people, and then we rebuilt the cities to be more easily navigated by cars, and now people without cars can't navigate the cities because we specifically designed them to require cars
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@mcc @glyph @mhoye I had that argument with a previous employer over mob programming.
They were trying to make everyone do it, it was burning some of us out.
Their response was “you can just not do it and the rest of the team will do it without you”.
Well, oh Einstein of managers, what do you think is going to happen when all the tools and communication structures the team uses assume mob programming, just like is required to do it properly? It’s not a real option to just not engage. You’ve just forced several of your staff out of a job because it was that or burning them out within weeks, and you’ve managed to paint it as their fault.
Ever since then I’ve been incredibly cynical about any “cultural shifts”. If it’s optional then it’s totally not optional they just don’t want to take the responsibility.
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@glyph When I think about "AI" I often think about how we had cities built to be navigated by people, and then we rebuilt the cities to be more easily navigated by cars, and now people without cars can't navigate the cities because we specifically designed them to require cars
@mcc @glyph @mhoye I had that argument with a previous employer over mob programming.
They were trying to make everyone do it, it was burning some of us out.
Their response was “you can just not do it and the rest of the team will do it without you”.
Well, oh Einstein of managers, what do you think is going to happen when all the tools and communication structures the team uses assume mob programming, just like is required to do it properly? It’s not a real option to just not engage. You’ve just forced several of your staff out of a job because it was that or burning them out within weeks, and you’ve managed to paint it as their fault.
Ever since then I’ve been incredibly cynical about any “cultural shifts”. If it’s optional then it’s totally not optional they just don’t want to take the responsibility.
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I am writing a blog post about why it is bad to use AI. It is extremely heavily sourced. I have a tedious automation problem formatting my citations. No problem, I think. I will write a computer program. The computer program does not work, because websites are blocking simple computer programs in an effort to block AI. Solution? Simple. Browser comes with AI embedded, browses like a human, has all my cookies. Just ask the AI. It sails through the primitive anti-AI measures easily.
@glyph I asked the corporate AI how to circumvent some tedious corporate security restrictions. Instead of reporting me it gave me some useful suggestions.
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@mcc @glyph @mhoye I had that argument with a previous employer over mob programming.
They were trying to make everyone do it, it was burning some of us out.
Their response was “you can just not do it and the rest of the team will do it without you”.
Well, oh Einstein of managers, what do you think is going to happen when all the tools and communication structures the team uses assume mob programming, just like is required to do it properly? It’s not a real option to just not engage. You’ve just forced several of your staff out of a job because it was that or burning them out within weeks, and you’ve managed to paint it as their fault.
Ever since then I’ve been incredibly cynical about any “cultural shifts”. If it’s optional then it’s totally not optional they just don’t want to take the responsibility.
@FayeDrake @mcc @glyph @mhoye What about mob programming burned folks out? I’ve always kinda wished mob programming or pair programming was more common than “go off somewhere and return with the PR” but it sounds like it didn’t have much upside where you were
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@FayeDrake @mcc @glyph @mhoye What about mob programming burned folks out? I’ve always kinda wished mob programming or pair programming was more common than “go off somewhere and return with the PR” but it sounds like it didn’t have much upside where you were
@griotspeak @FayeDrake @glyph @mhoye Is mob programming the one with random encounters
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@FayeDrake @mcc @glyph @mhoye What about mob programming burned folks out? I’ve always kinda wished mob programming or pair programming was more common than “go off somewhere and return with the PR” but it sounds like it didn’t have much upside where you were
@griotspeak @FayeDrake @mcc @mhoye I can't answer for Faye but I can relate from my own experience trying to advocate for pair programming: the efficacy and enjoyability pairing is extremely dependent upon personality. for socially anxious people it can feel like torture. for people with difficulty with task initiation it can feel borderline necessary. it's *really* hard to come up with generalizable processes around it, you have to be very responsive to the specific personalities on your team
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@griotspeak @FayeDrake @mcc @mhoye I can't answer for Faye but I can relate from my own experience trying to advocate for pair programming: the efficacy and enjoyability pairing is extremely dependent upon personality. for socially anxious people it can feel like torture. for people with difficulty with task initiation it can feel borderline necessary. it's *really* hard to come up with generalizable processes around it, you have to be very responsive to the specific personalities on your team
@griotspeak @FayeDrake @mcc @mhoye personally I used to be of the opinion "pairing is always good, you just gotta give it a try" and for a lot of people, even some who thought they wouldn't like it, I was right. but for a few people (who I have now long since made amends to) the growing expectation that they would do it all the time made them feel anxious about coming in to work.
I've never been anywhere that it really settled in to a final steady state that everyone was happy with.
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@griotspeak @FayeDrake @mcc @mhoye I can't answer for Faye but I can relate from my own experience trying to advocate for pair programming: the efficacy and enjoyability pairing is extremely dependent upon personality. for socially anxious people it can feel like torture. for people with difficulty with task initiation it can feel borderline necessary. it's *really* hard to come up with generalizable processes around it, you have to be very responsive to the specific personalities on your team
@glyph @FayeDrake @mcc @mhoye That makes sense. I guess another concern is the actually pairings and who works well together. Thank you for the response. Obvious though it is in one sense, the information sharing and community building part just… overshadow that in my imagining
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@paul_ipv6 @mcc @glyph I wouldn't put this sentence in the past tense, at least not for France, but things are indeed improving in most cities.
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@glyph @FayeDrake @mcc @mhoye That makes sense. I guess another concern is the actually pairings and who works well together. Thank you for the response. Obvious though it is in one sense, the information sharing and community building part just… overshadow that in my imagining
@griotspeak @FayeDrake @mcc @mhoye indeed. in my own imagination too! the difficulty that Faye points out is real—if you try to force people, you get higher turnover and alienate a whole personality type (one that's common in tech and tbh kind of important to round out a team). but if you make it "optional" then you keep getting back to the default assumption that it is a "distraction" to pair with someone (or mob with the team) where only the "primary" gets credit for closing "their" tickets
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@paul_ipv6 @mcc @glyph I wouldn't put this sentence in the past tense, at least not for France, but things are indeed improving in most cities.
