Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
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Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands I switched (back) to debian for cloud applications a couple of years back and have zero regrets about doing so. It's widely available, it works well, and the bits of Ubuntu I liked were all Debianisms anyways.
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Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands In my experience there are two types of easy:
- minimal Debian
- Alpine Linux
The latter easy for some stuff and not for other stuff, YMMV -
Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands I feel like Debian has mostly reached all those same points. The installer is a bit harder and it might need just a bit more installed manually after, but I think you'll find it a good alternative.
One definite advantage is it is incredibly well known and supported among the communities. I mean heck, Ubuntu is just modified Debian...
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Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands Debian
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Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands debian is the closest family-wise to ubuntu. but for servers in particular, if you want to learn something new, you might be interested in giving nix or guix a try. being able to write your entire configuration file once and deploy the exact same configuration anywhere, without the weight and clunkiness of something like docker, is pretty nice
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Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands Debian. Ubuntu is just Debian with patches to make it bloated and broken. If it's mostly for virtual servers, absolutely search/replace all of your Ubuntu needs with Debian.
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@inthehands debian is the closest family-wise to ubuntu. but for servers in particular, if you want to learn something new, you might be interested in giving nix or guix a try. being able to write your entire configuration file once and deploy the exact same configuration anywhere, without the weight and clunkiness of something like docker, is pretty nice
@joe
Hmm, I’ve poked at Ansible for exactly that purpose. Nix sounds from the field like it’s still a tinkerer’s tool — lots of fiddling, lots of headaches — but it may have matured since I last investigated? -
Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands Debian or Fedora would be my first proposals.
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Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performancePretty strong consensus in the replies to just use Debian.
When I last asked this questions approx 6000 years ago, the feeling was that Ubuntu was Debian with the sharp edges sanded off. Now it sounds like Debian itself has sanded off those sharp edges, and what Ubuntu adds is as more bloat than convenience.
Thanks, all!
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@inthehands I've been using straight up debian mostly recently. It's way less judgmental than it used to be about "non-free" drivers and whatnot.
@donaldball @inthehands been using debian for my server for almost a decade. It works really well
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Pretty strong consensus in the replies to just use Debian.
When I last asked this questions approx 6000 years ago, the feeling was that Ubuntu was Debian with the sharp edges sanded off. Now it sounds like Debian itself has sanded off those sharp edges, and what Ubuntu adds is as more bloat than convenience.
Thanks, all!
@inthehands I mostly used linux because linode made it easy. When I next build something it might be freebsd on aws or some other hoster.
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@inthehands I mostly used linux because linode made it easy. When I next build something it might be freebsd on aws or some other hoster.
@adamshostack
FreeBSD has long caught my eye, and if I had more time for config tinkering and less time pressure on the dev side of the upcoming projects, I’d definitely want to poke at it.If you find an option that has that same “install and go” that Linode has…I’d be curious to hear about it.
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Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands Debian, using Incus and Ansible. Debian host and guest, Incus provides the guest environments, Ansible helps simplify and centralize the configuration. It's pretty simple to operate, and doesn't rely on uniform hardware.
Aesthetically I like Chimera more, I use it on some of the machines I actually touch, but for work I optimize around the well-trod path.
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Ubuntu has long been my go-to Linux distro for spinning up a virtual server: “easy, vanilla install just works, whatever, I don’t have to agonize over anything.”
At the risk of asking the Mastodon Armada about Linux distros…with Ubuntu apparently going all in on ensloppification, what’s a good alternative?
Parameters:
- for (virtual) servers, not desktop use
- “vanilla install works just fine” is top priority
- long-term stability > performance@inthehands Debian is probably the easiest to move to,
If you're fine with non-linux options, netBSD is one I've always been fond of for servers,
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@joe
Hmm, I’ve poked at Ansible for exactly that purpose. Nix sounds from the field like it’s still a tinkerer’s tool — lots of fiddling, lots of headaches — but it may have matured since I last investigated?that's the impression i get from Nix as well—it takes fiddling, but at the end of it, when you have something working it's easy to keep it just working
i've only just started tinkering with Guix, which flatters my sensibilities more using Scheme as its configuration language. so far i like it. it's also easy to experiment with incrementally, since you can install guix as a normal user in your existing distro and work in its generated environments via containers/VMs
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@adamshostack
FreeBSD has long caught my eye, and if I had more time for config tinkering and less time pressure on the dev side of the upcoming projects, I’d definitely want to poke at it.If you find an option that has that same “install and go” that Linode has…I’d be curious to hear about it.
@inthehands I mean, a lot's going to depend on your dev platform needs.
I've been meaning to ask @lattera if there's a recommended linode-like PaaS for BSDs?
(Linode-like: cheap, ~$10/small server/month, easy backup, 1-2 pages of config to spin up a new machine, reverse DNS support. Ideally, not hated by spamhaus
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