"Parents should just parent" as a response to ID verification laws is the privacy version of telling people to stop using plastic straws to fix the microplastics problem.
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"Parents should just parent" as a response to ID verification laws is the privacy version of telling people to stop using plastic straws to fix the microplastics problem. It shifts blame away from the real culprits who are doing the overwhelming majority of the damage by a wide margin and instead vilifies the individuals who - while maybe not perfect - are generally trying their best and already overwhelmed, stretched thin on resources, and out of their league.
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"Parents should just parent" as a response to ID verification laws is the privacy version of telling people to stop using plastic straws to fix the microplastics problem. It shifts blame away from the real culprits who are doing the overwhelming majority of the damage by a wide margin and instead vilifies the individuals who - while maybe not perfect - are generally trying their best and already overwhelmed, stretched thin on resources, and out of their league.
Imagine someone drives drunk at 2 pm on a nice, sunny day and hits a pedestrian on the sidewalk. "Damn, that pedestrian really shouldn't have headphones in. He should've had more situational awareness. He should've done XYZ." Yeah, true, but also like the driver is very clearly way more in the wrong here and should probably unfuck himself before we start victim blaming the pedestrian.
That's what you're doing every time you say "parents should just parent." Stop victim blaming the pedestrian.
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Imagine someone drives drunk at 2 pm on a nice, sunny day and hits a pedestrian on the sidewalk. "Damn, that pedestrian really shouldn't have headphones in. He should've had more situational awareness. He should've done XYZ." Yeah, true, but also like the driver is very clearly way more in the wrong here and should probably unfuck himself before we start victim blaming the pedestrian.
That's what you're doing every time you say "parents should just parent." Stop victim blaming the pedestrian.
@nateb
But often (barring predation) no one "did that" to the child. They just happen to be in a space where adults are doing adult stuff.
So, what's your solution? You're a privacy guy, so obviously you are against age verification. What's left but for parents to parent?
Who is the driver in this situation who needs to be punished? Are you seriously suggesting tracking people on the internet down and punishing them for sharing porn or whatever? -
@nateb
But often (barring predation) no one "did that" to the child. They just happen to be in a space where adults are doing adult stuff.
So, what's your solution? You're a privacy guy, so obviously you are against age verification. What's left but for parents to parent?
Who is the driver in this situation who needs to be punished? Are you seriously suggesting tracking people on the internet down and punishing them for sharing porn or whatever?@light I'm suggesting we put more emphasis on the platforms. There is a balance, obviously. Parents have no right to be negligent. Letting your child onto the internet (or rather "letting the internet access your child") is like teaching your kid how to drive. They have to be ready and you have to help guide them. That's not society's job.
That said, we know that these Big Tech platforms are harmful to everyone. Adults are just as susceptible to doomscrolling and mental health issues, (cont)
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@light I'm suggesting we put more emphasis on the platforms. There is a balance, obviously. Parents have no right to be negligent. Letting your child onto the internet (or rather "letting the internet access your child") is like teaching your kid how to drive. They have to be ready and you have to help guide them. That's not society's job.
That said, we know that these Big Tech platforms are harmful to everyone. Adults are just as susceptible to doomscrolling and mental health issues, (cont)
@light and we know that these companies have entire departments who's sole job is to try and keep people hooked a little longer.
When we realized smoking was addictive, we didn't vilify smokers (at least, not only). We also went after Big Tobacco. Same here. Big Tech is hurting everyone and we need to reign them in. Parents can only do so much and they're outgunned.
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Imagine someone drives drunk at 2 pm on a nice, sunny day and hits a pedestrian on the sidewalk. "Damn, that pedestrian really shouldn't have headphones in. He should've had more situational awareness. He should've done XYZ." Yeah, true, but also like the driver is very clearly way more in the wrong here and should probably unfuck himself before we start victim blaming the pedestrian.
That's what you're doing every time you say "parents should just parent." Stop victim blaming the pedestrian.
@nateb
...so let's id everyone?
That's a weird take from you. -
@nateb
...so let's id everyone?
That's a weird take from you.@0x0 Absolutely not what I said and I hope you'd know me well enough to know that's not what I meant.
What I said and meant was to stop blaming the parents for the current shitshow that is the tech/privacy landscape and instead shift the blame back to the Big Tech companies where it belongs.
That doesn't require us to ID everyone to regulate Big Tech and make it less harmful to everyone.
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"Parents should just parent" as a response to ID verification laws is the privacy version of telling people to stop using plastic straws to fix the microplastics problem. It shifts blame away from the real culprits who are doing the overwhelming majority of the damage by a wide margin and instead vilifies the individuals who - while maybe not perfect - are generally trying their best and already overwhelmed, stretched thin on resources, and out of their league.
@nateb I don't know what's the context on this... but if is related to the id check that is been implemented everywhere now because of "think of the children" then i strongly disagree, while i think the internet should do some self policing and have safeguards for minors, parents should also be involve, the amount of times i had see parents just give the phone or a tablet to their children because they just use it as a digital caretaker because they don't want to parent, (and in some cases they didn't even actually wanted children, they wanted human pets), is so high that i do blame negligence on them -
@nateb I don't know what's the context on this... but if is related to the id check that is been implemented everywhere now because of "think of the children" then i strongly disagree, while i think the internet should do some self policing and have safeguards for minors, parents should also be involve, the amount of times i had see parents just give the phone or a tablet to their children because they just use it as a digital caretaker because they don't want to parent, (and in some cases they didn't even actually wanted children, they wanted human pets), is so high that i do blame negligence on them@nateb to add up, i hate that ID check ups are been implemented everywhere now!! companies shouldn't do this type of data harvest period. and i do agree that laws should change the blame on companies and impose penalties and restrictions, but the blame is on both, not just one side
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@nateb to add up, i hate that ID check ups are been implemented everywhere now!! companies shouldn't do this type of data harvest period. and i do agree that laws should change the blame on companies and impose penalties and restrictions, but the blame is on both, not just one side
@keyshooter I semi-agree, but my argument is that blame rests more on one side than the other. Respectfully, your anecdotal evidence just raises further questions. Are most parents raising their kids on iPads, or just a few? We'll never have a 100% success rate with any group of people. Are they only giving their kids tech in specific scenarios, like letting a kid watch TV while they cook? I think simply blaming the parents is unfair and unproductive.
