A couple days ago, I saw a post here about a literal nazi newsletter hosted on #Substack.
-
A couple days ago, I saw a post here about a literal nazi newsletter hosted on #Substack. I won't repost it because I don't want red and black swastikas in my timeline.
I sent a note to their "terms of service" team asking for clarification, hoping they would say "oh wow, thanks.." and do something about it.
Or maybe at least, they might say "gosh, this is bad, but they're not actually doing anything illegal."
But so far, no response...
-
A couple days ago, I saw a post here about a literal nazi newsletter hosted on #Substack. I won't repost it because I don't want red and black swastikas in my timeline.
I sent a note to their "terms of service" team asking for clarification, hoping they would say "oh wow, thanks.." and do something about it.
Or maybe at least, they might say "gosh, this is bad, but they're not actually doing anything illegal."
But so far, no response...
I assume you'd never host a Nazi band on bandwagon.fm but someday a Nazi might run their band or label site on bandwagon server software. this distinction is vital and what substack needs to understand about decentralization. but even some here don't seem to get that or care.
-
A couple days ago, I saw a post here about a literal nazi newsletter hosted on #Substack. I won't repost it because I don't want red and black swastikas in my timeline.
I sent a note to their "terms of service" team asking for clarification, hoping they would say "oh wow, thanks.." and do something about it.
Or maybe at least, they might say "gosh, this is bad, but they're not actually doing anything illegal."
But so far, no response...
@benpate They know it's a problem.
It's been a problem for a LONG TIME.
We're well past the stage of, "Hey, you should do something about this!"
Drop and run from Substack like its Co-60.
And never visit a Substack page if you can avoid it - no matter who is posting on there.
They know too, and they all seem fine with the Nazis. It's not like there aren't countless alternatives to Substack out there.
-
A couple days ago, I saw a post here about a literal nazi newsletter hosted on #Substack. I won't repost it because I don't want red and black swastikas in my timeline.
I sent a note to their "terms of service" team asking for clarification, hoping they would say "oh wow, thanks.." and do something about it.
Or maybe at least, they might say "gosh, this is bad, but they're not actually doing anything illegal."
But so far, no response...
@benpate it's my understanding they choose to service Nazis, which is why I refuse to even click on a substack link.
-
I assume you'd never host a Nazi band on bandwagon.fm but someday a Nazi might run their band or label site on bandwagon server software. this distinction is vital and what substack needs to understand about decentralization. but even some here don't seem to get that or care.
You're exactly right We can certainly delete/block them, but they could run their own server. What happens when open source software we make gets used by bad guys?
There's tons of examples, and fortunately, the community works to shut them down quickly.
But there *is* a difference between open tools being misused vs. actively putting resources towards hosting of hateful content.
I need a statement from Substack on this one.
-
@benpate They know it's a problem.
It's been a problem for a LONG TIME.
We're well past the stage of, "Hey, you should do something about this!"
Drop and run from Substack like its Co-60.
And never visit a Substack page if you can avoid it - no matter who is posting on there.
They know too, and they all seem fine with the Nazis. It's not like there aren't countless alternatives to Substack out there.
Yeah, I've heard it in the news before.
But I always want to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I realize that there are legal implications for a platform to pick and choose the content it serves.
So even if they do nothing, my email will be another ticket in their customer support system, and if the board ever asks why their numbers are down, it'll be one more item in the counter that says "people don't like nazis" (as if it needs to be said)
-
@benpate it's my understanding they choose to service Nazis, which is why I refuse to even click on a substack link.
@wordsmith I wonder how many Substack authors would do the work to move platforms if they started getting messages showing the other content that's hosted next to theirs?
-
@wordsmith I wonder how many Substack authors would do the work to move platforms if they started getting messages showing the other content that's hosted next to theirs?
@benpate that'd be a pretty rude awakening, if they weren't aware of the state of the place!
-
You're exactly right We can certainly delete/block them, but they could run their own server. What happens when open source software we make gets used by bad guys?
There's tons of examples, and fortunately, the community works to shut them down quickly.
But there *is* a difference between open tools being misused vs. actively putting resources towards hosting of hateful content.
I need a statement from Substack on this one.
yes, the key is resources. "shutting down" is a harder call.
I can see not letting Dem party folks use my stuff cause of their support for Israel re Gaza. etc etc. but that federation makes this possible is awesome as long as we also understand the value in federating as much as possible. balancing that with also moderating hard for abuse, is part of our responsibility to the larger network.
I wish we could confront the big platform owners with these arguments publicly.
-
R relay@relay.infosec.exchange shared this topic
