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OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

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  • 14mission@sfba.social1 14mission@sfba.social

    @phf @requiem I voted "yes". But the current AI hype is making people ignore some useful distinctions. Specifically, between lazy use of large generic (even if adapted) models vs training task-specific models on data just collected for that task. We used to just call the latter sort of thing neural network models or something like that. It has become trendy to call this AI, which just confuses things. It makes people think you can just ask an LLM to do anything and it just magically knows what to do. And some of those people run companies and think you can just ask ChatGPT to fly a plane.

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    @14mission Oh I agree that the term "AI" is the worst term ever. But I feel like "they" ruined the term so I used it only in the "ruined" sense of gargantuan Markov text generator thingy. Things like pattern recognition using neural networks is what I grew up with and I still think it has purpose. Alas even a plain old neural network needs to never be in direct control of an insulin pump or the rudder on a plane. Never. @requiem

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    • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

      OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

      (boosts welcome)

      gerbsen@gruene.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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      @requiem not if you sell ai services 😉

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      • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

        OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

        (boosts welcome)

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        @requiem

        I think it’s short sighted talking about AI or not-AI. Today, AI has its uses, but it’s not the end all other technologies. Plus there’s a lot of problems that need addressing.

        For most, it seems to have become a buzzword like multimedia was. But you still need a use case.

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        • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

          OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

          (boosts welcome)

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          @requiem Depends, use AI for what?

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          • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

            OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

            (boosts welcome)

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            #15

            @requiem

            Yes

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            • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

              OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

              (boosts welcome)

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              justinmac84@mastodon.social
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              #16

              @requiem there should be an it depends option. What's the AI being used for? How was it trained? Does it negatively impact the quality of your product. Will the AI being used have a negative environmental impact?

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              • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                (boosts welcome)

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                #17

                @requiem all things being equal, yes.

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                • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                  OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                  (boosts welcome)

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                  #18

                  @requiem I really think it would depend on how you define 'AI' and what your doing... E.g. in my scientific work I use quite a few tool that are now branded, at least by some, as 'AI'. This is categorically different from LLM slop generation or trying to replace graphic designers with a diffusion model. I care about ethics, honesty, and using appropriate tools for the job over what it's being branded as. Cutting the BS language would be great too, of course!

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                  • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                    OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                    (boosts welcome)

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                    @requiem not surprised that there is a lot of "theoretical" sympathy. But do we - the people - have money and contacts to offer? I very much doubt it

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                    • jlapoutre@mastodon.onlineJ jlapoutre@mastodon.online

                      @requiem Didn't vote but I would really carefully consider if you want to use this as a selling point to your prospective clients. First, they will care for your services and products quality, as long as it is created at least somewhat ethically, Second, "AI" as such is right on its peak in the hype cycle now, the useful parts will soon become just another tool in your workplace.
                      So I tend to vote "no", by lack of a "doesn't matter as long as I trust you"

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                      @jlapoutre @requiem it's as much a filter for the types of clients this putative agency wants to attract as it is a signal for clients.

                      Speaking for myself, I don't want to work with clients who think LLMs are a solution to anything.

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                      • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                        OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                        (boosts welcome)

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                        @requiem @downey to me the question is not IF but HOW you use it. AI will be like electricity, it’s about how efficient and knowledgeable/ careful you are about it

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                        • frytg@beoriginal.socialF frytg@beoriginal.social

                          @requiem @downey to me the question is not IF but HOW you use it. AI will be like electricity, it’s about how efficient and knowledgeable/ careful you are about it

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                          @FRYTG @requiem

                          🤣

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                          • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                            OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                            (boosts welcome)

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                            I would love to get 1000 responses here, hint hint...

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                            • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                              OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                              (boosts welcome)

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                              @requiem Where do I apply? 😂

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                              • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                                OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                                (boosts welcome)

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                                @requiem

                                Not only would I want to hire you, I suspect that you'd be flooded by people who want to work for you as well.

                                Interesting side note, the replies provided a bonanza of bozos to block.

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                                • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                                  OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                                  (boosts welcome)

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                                  @requiem

                                  Absolutely.

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                                  • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                                    OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                                    (boosts welcome)

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                                    @requiem No-brainer for me. (Voted yes.)

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                                    • phf@mastodon.deP phf@mastodon.de

                                      @14mission Oh I agree that the term "AI" is the worst term ever. But I feel like "they" ruined the term so I used it only in the "ruined" sense of gargantuan Markov text generator thingy. Things like pattern recognition using neural networks is what I grew up with and I still think it has purpose. Alas even a plain old neural network needs to never be in direct control of an insulin pump or the rudder on a plane. Never. @requiem

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                                      @phf @14mission @requiem I don‘t get it. What have LLMs ruined? Traditional symbolic AI was in no way more AI than the currently trending AI flavor. Expert systems had/have their use. Classic NNs had/have their use. LLMs had/have their use. What exactly is the difference in your opinion (other than nobody pumped even a fraction of the money into expert systems than now into LLMs)

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                                      • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                                        OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                                        (boosts welcome)

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                                        @requiem You can market yourself as “boutique consulting for software craftsmanship”

                                        I feel like there are people willing to pay a premium for the quality of that over the mediocrity of AI generated code

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                                        • requiem@masto.hackers.townR requiem@masto.hackers.town

                                          OK, so let's say me and some friends started a tech company/consultancy that refused to use "AI", would this encourage you choose us over others?

                                          (boosts welcome)

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                                          aqeeliz@floss.social
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                                          @requiem From my experience, most people that want something built don't care about these details. If the software works, they don't care. If someone can do the same job with same guarantees but half the price, people will choose them.

                                          The responses on fediverse will be very biased for this poll. If you seriously want to start such a business, I'll highly recommend doing some research from non-tech / business oriented people.

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