AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
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@firefoxwebdevs
Where can you find the different definitions for opt-in?
I only know one.@bicycle @firefoxwebdevs @alextecplayz he asked his fellow marketers
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@alextecplayz here's the help page, so you can judge for yourself https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-ai-controls. We mostly refrain from using the term "opt-in" because people have different definitions of opt-in.
Models don't download until you engage with the feature, but some folks have said it's only opt-in if even the entry points are in a separate binary.
I asked for UI that shows downloaded models, but there wasn't time for that in 148. I'll keep asking for it
@firefoxwebdevs @alextecplayz The only way people can have different definitions of "opt in" is if some people deliberately misread "opt in" because they do not want to read what's there, and which is that unless and until the user *opts* to be "*in", they must be left *out*.
And the only reason why someone might want to misread "opt in" is if they want to get users "in" without said users' opting so.
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@alextecplayz here's the help page, so you can judge for yourself https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-ai-controls. We mostly refrain from using the term "opt-in" because people have different definitions of opt-in.
Models don't download until you engage with the feature, but some folks have said it's only opt-in if even the entry points are in a separate binary.
I asked for UI that shows downloaded models, but there wasn't time for that in 148. I'll keep asking for it
You must think we are all fucking stupid, aren't you?
I can understand a business decision in which I disagree with, but I don like to be talked like a child.
This is extremely disrespectful and I will never put my trust in your softwares from now on.Shame on you
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs Still not coming back.
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs Thanks for giving me the kick I needed to start my next coding endeavour. I’ve checked out the Servo repo and will be looking at ways I can contribute to a next gen AI free browser.
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@alextecplayz here's the help page, so you can judge for yourself https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-ai-controls. We mostly refrain from using the term "opt-in" because people have different definitions of opt-in.
Models don't download until you engage with the feature, but some folks have said it's only opt-in if even the entry points are in a separate binary.
I asked for UI that shows downloaded models, but there wasn't time for that in 148. I'll keep asking for it
In and out are not difficult concepts. How can you even claim there are different 'definitions' of enforcing an option by default to something a user can decide to enable if needed?
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs Apart from disabling AI features of Firefox itself I would also like to have a choice of search engines without AI. For example, DuckDuckGo has a no AI version at https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ .
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@alextecplayz here's the help page, so you can judge for yourself https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-ai-controls. We mostly refrain from using the term "opt-in" because people have different definitions of opt-in.
Models don't download until you engage with the feature, but some folks have said it's only opt-in if even the entry points are in a separate binary.
I asked for UI that shows downloaded models, but there wasn't time for that in 148. I'll keep asking for it
@firefoxwebdevs @alextecplayz No, everyone¹ has the same, simple definition of opt-in: the user must take some deliberate action in order to turn on the feature. It's really that simple.
You don't want to use the term "opt-in" because *you know it would be a lie*, as that page makes clear the user must take action to _avoid_ having the feature. That's called "opt-out".
1. OK, everyone who isn't being disingenuous slime. Like Mozilla, apparently.
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@giacomo @alextecplayz I don't think it's particularly unusual to offer features at the point they might be useful. This follows the pattern of e.g. asking for microphone permission. You're asked at a time that it might be useful to you, you don't have to say yes, and there are ways to avoid ever being asked.
@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @giacomo@snac.tesio.it @alextecplayz@techhub.social Microphone permissions never require going to the settings menu if you don't want to be asked again, you (when initially presented with them) just click "Don't ask again -> No" in the same menu you'd "opt into" them.
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @giacomo@snac.tesio.it @alextecplayz@techhub.social Microphone permissions never require going to the settings menu if you don't want to be asked again, you (when initially presented with them) just click "Don't ask again -> No" in the same menu you'd "opt into" them.
@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @giacomo@snac.tesio.it @alextecplayz@techhub.social Adding a second button next to the "AI Feature" simply stating "Don't show these again" that either immediately disables it, or disables it and opens a new tab with the preferences menu in that tab, is a way better UX flow.
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @giacomo@snac.tesio.it @alextecplayz@techhub.social Adding a second button next to the "AI Feature" simply stating "Don't show these again" that either immediately disables it, or disables it and opens a new tab with the preferences menu in that tab, is a way better UX flow.
@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @giacomo@snac.tesio.it @alextecplayz@techhub.social Also, clearly labeling it as "Enable AI Tab Group Suggestions" (or similar) or having a prompt like the one below (based loosely on Firefox Design Guidelines)
which is, whilst not "perfect", clearly a "Allow" -> Enables use in general, as described above it. Unless and until the user changes their mind. and "Deny" -> Disables it. Forever. Unless the user says otherwise. Learn more -> Hey I want some special setting or just want more info.
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@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I like Vivaldi but I dislike a Chromium monoculture, so I'll begrudgingly be using a trimmed-down Firefox until Servo is in beta territory.
@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @farlukar But Servo wull offer only a website Component, right, rather than a full browser? Are there any real open source non-firefox forks left?
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@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @farlukar But Servo wull offer only a website Component, right, rather than a full browser? Are there any real open source non-firefox forks left?
@baszoetekouw @ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @farlukar
yeah it's just the renderer. someone did a browser wrapper but the rendererer is still changing. but i expect there'll be a browser with all the browser stuff soon as servo is usable for real work.
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@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @farlukar But Servo wull offer only a website Component, right, rather than a full browser? Are there any real open source non-firefox forks left?
@baszoetekouw @ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard There are many browsers, but few render engines. The render engine is the hard part, as far as I can tell.
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@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard you've put "anti-AI crazies" in quotes so I assume you're quoting me. Can you point to where I said that? Or are you trying to mislead people?
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard excellent bad faith reading of what quotes are used for. I hope you get a raise, Jake.
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@firefoxwebdevs
Where is the full change log of android version located? I would like to find out which exact version introduced device/screen lock on private tabs - that seemed to be the issue.@ada general release notes are at https://www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/android/127.0/releasenotes/, you can also search bugzilla. But, what makes you suspect the screen lock?
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @giacomo@snac.tesio.it @alextecplayz@techhub.social Also, clearly labeling it as "Enable AI Tab Group Suggestions" (or similar) or having a prompt like the one below (based loosely on Firefox Design Guidelines)
which is, whilst not "perfect", clearly a "Allow" -> Enables use in general, as described above it. Unless and until the user changes their mind. and "Deny" -> Disables it. Forever. Unless the user says otherwise. Learn more -> Hey I want some special setting or just want more info.@memdmp @alextecplayz @giacomo fwiw, when you click "suggest more of my tabs", you get this:
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@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard excellent bad faith reading of what quotes are used for. I hope you get a raise, Jake.
@nightclaw @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs now now, Jake is only talking like an abuser because he's being paid to
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@baszoetekouw @ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @farlukar
yeah it's just the renderer. someone did a browser wrapper but the rendererer is still changing. but i expect there'll be a browser with all the browser stuff soon as servo is usable for real work.
@davidgerard @baszoetekouw @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @farlukar Always choices to make moving away from American big tech.
I've tried a few of the Firefox forks. I haven't tried Servo, but the ones I did try I eventually found that there were some things I do on the internet that I was just going to have to do without, with those forks. Or I would have to run two browsers, and then it's a very short road to "why bother? Just use Firefox". Firefox drinking the AI kool-aid pushed me to look at non-mozilla browsers.
Vivaldi ticks enough of the boxes that I feel are important. I use Edge at work (it's the furthest I can get away from the company force-installing Chrome) so I'm already familiar with chromium. It's not fully FOSS, but the company says things about avoiding tracking and algorithms and prioritizing privacy that I want to hear. They're employee-owned, although I don't see a lot of detail on what exactly that means. And they're not American.
Most importantly for me, almost everything I tried to do just worked out of the box. The only real issue I've had so far is that it uses extensions from the Chrome Web Store and is subject to Google's meddling there, so no uBlock Origin.
