AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
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@jaffathecake @reflex @froztbyte @ZBennoui @ddelemeny you should have seen this one time I ordered a burger and the waiter served me a salad and I said I ordered a burger but he kept talking about vegetarians and how the plate was designed based on feedback from a poll about the best colours with the options being brown, grey, and
️ but every time I asked about the burger the waiter told me that vegetarians don't like to eat meat@fasterandworse @jaffathecake @froztbyte @ZBennoui @ddelemeny So much this.
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@Orb2069 @jaffathecake @froztbyte @ddelemeny Only if it's intentional.
@reflex @Orb2069 @jaffathecake @froztbyte @ddelemeny or maybe they're using an AI assistant to reply ?
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@reflex @Orb2069 @jaffathecake @froztbyte @ddelemeny or maybe they're using an AI assistant to reply ?
@antares @reflex @Orb2069 @jaffathecake @ddelemeny more's the idiot them if they're doing that
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@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs sure!
but let's step back - why do you want it to be "opt-out"?
@wojtek
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs Because it exposes users to a wide variety of technical and cognitive hazards, has a significant labor rights and ecological impact, is changing the structure of public discourse in ways that are broadly incompatible with democracy, and represents a fundamental change in what the piece of software the users are installing does, ontologically. Why do you think it's justified forcing that change on anyone who doesn't notice it's there or understand why they might not want it? -
@reflex @Orb2069 @jaffathecake @froztbyte @ddelemeny or maybe they're using an AI assistant to reply ?
@antares @Orb2069 @jaffathecake @froztbyte @ddelemeny If it were AI it would be telling us what we would like to hear....
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@firefoxwebdevs @ArneBab and also, not only "block" instead of disable, but "enhancements" instead of features
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Stop portraying Mastodon users as the "anti-AI crazies".
Instead, ask yourself: "What is the relation between Mastodon users & Firefox?"
The answer:
An overwhelming number of Mastodon users used to be your champions.
They are tech people who used to recommend Firefox to the normies in their life. A crowd of mini-influencers, recommending your product.
And I don't understand why you go out of your way to alienate exactly these people.
I was one of those people that USED TO recommend Firefox.
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> are you under a directive that explicitly told you not to do that?
No.
> Or perhaps under some implicit kind of situation (e.g. “I know $manager won’t listen”) which made you not even consider that?
No, but a poll that gives me the evidence to say "hey, you know that place that has a strong representation of people who don't like AI? They don't like AI." did not seem like a good use of my time.
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"hey, you know that place that has a strong representation of people who don't like AI? They don't like AI."
---I think you find that's called "the majority of the world population on the web that doesn't have a vested interest of profiting from the very flawed impression LLM AI is good at what the tech bros are trying to use it for". Why do you think nobody wants
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"hey, you know that place that has a strong representation of people who don't like AI? They don't like AI."
---I think you find that's called "the majority of the world population on the web that doesn't have a vested interest of profiting from the very flawed impression LLM AI is good at what the tech bros are trying to use it for". Why do you think nobody wants
Microslop Co-Pilot? Why do you think people are moving from Windows to Linux? Why do you think that OpenAI has woeful conversion to paid customers? Why do you think people are moving from Firefox to Vivaldi, that have stated they won't put AI in their products.
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs Make it an extension that I can ignore. Until then, I'm sticking with #Waterfox.
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs it's like putting a bomb on my wheelchair and saying "don't worry, you can turn it off and will only be activated once you've interacted with the bomb"
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@fabio @firefoxwebdevs survey only shows a tiny fraction of the total userbase. why it should influencethe default?
@wojtek @firefoxwebdevs What do you think about the ethical concerns?
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@dadadan @ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse Zen and Waterfox have committed to keeping AI out of the default experience. I'm hoping they add Servo as an alternative renderer once they are ready to start taking on bugs, ideally done in a way where we can switch between engines until Servo can fully take over.
@ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse @reflex I'll try them today
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@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs i keep seeing this cop-out, but i have yet to see any polling from mozilla that says a majority of their users do want AI in their browser.
e.g. 14 days ago i see an informal poll in reddit with the same conclusion - https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1qhfvkw/interested_in_your_views_on_ai_in_firefox/
the thread inviting people to comment on the AI window a few weeks ago was the same thing, overwhelmingly negative - https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/building-ai-the-firefox-way-shaping-what-s-next-together/td-p/109922
so if in community after community people are nearly unanimous about the pivot to AI, it seems like the burden is on firefox dev team to show that there is some silent majority that is loving it rather than insisting that every community is an echo chamber
@jonny@neuromatch.social @jaffathecake@mastodon.social @duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social And I mean it's not like this feature request was hugely popular or anything
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/no-ai-in-the-browser/td-p/51616 -
@jonny@neuromatch.social @jaffathecake@mastodon.social @duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social And I mean it's not like this feature request was hugely popular or anything
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/no-ai-in-the-browser/td-p/51616@jonny@neuromatch.social @jaffathecake@mastodon.social @duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social If there's any evidence of a "silent majority who loooooove LLM integration", you'd think it would pop up as something like, I dunno, high sales for copilot during the microsoft earnings call or some such
https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/02/microsoft_ai_spend_copilot/
and yetOnly 3.3 percent of Microsoft 365 and Office 365 users who touch Copilot Chat actually pay for it...
... What Microsoft did not articulate is how small that paid footprint looks against the vast base of Microsoft 365 users experimenting with Copilot Chat for free...
here's microsoft 'finessing' the copilot story to make the billions they've dumped not sound like a huge loss that people do not find compelling -
@ddelemeny @froztbyte how do you feel about a11y tooling that analyses images to describe them? Therefore providing people with visibility into things they otherwise wouldn't have.
That also is generating content in a format that was never on the web. Nobody had the opportunity to make sure it's right and nobody ever will.
@jaffathecake @ddelemeny @froztbyte It's worth noting that when it comes to altbot here on fedi, a lot of vision-impaired people have the opinion that it's not very useful
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@thehighseas@ioc.exchange @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Jake is furiously throwing up anything he can to distract from the question of AI in Firefox. That is literally the job he is paid to be here to do, yes.
@davidgerard @thehighseas@ioc.exchange @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Yeah, we've seen this before. One person phrases their objection in terms that can easily be misunderstood for a pithy answer, he zeroes in on them and ignores EVERYONE else.
(Hey Jake, here's an easy one for you to latch on to by pointing out that you don't ignore LITERALLY everyone else!)
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Stop portraying Mastodon users as the "anti-AI crazies".
Instead, ask yourself: "What is the relation between Mastodon users & Firefox?"
The answer:
An overwhelming number of Mastodon users used to be your champions.
They are tech people who used to recommend Firefox to the normies in their life. A crowd of mini-influencers, recommending your product.
And I don't understand why you go out of your way to alienate exactly these people.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I just think we on Mastodon have a low tolerance for bullshit, which is ‘AI features nobody asked for’ in a nutshell.
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@fennix to be clear, I'm not playing this off as a mastodon thing. I mean… if my intent was to ignore people here, I've done a pretty bad job of that given I've engaged with people most of today.
My point was that if you run a poll about AI preference on Mastodon, it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be. That doesn't mean it isn't valid, it just means that putting effort into discovering what's already discovered is a misuse of time.
@jaffathecake
I'm not sure you've actually "engaged" in any meaningful sense of the word. Certainly you've been conversing but it's not as though there's been concrete answers to questions. Upthread you've mostly avoided actually answering points and even here feigning confusion. Or, if it's not feigning, it paints a bleak picture of how prepared you are to interact with the Firefox userbase about this topic.In case you aren't familiar, this might help:
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/firefox-labs/share-your-feedback-on-the-ai-services-experiment-in-nightly/td-p/60519The overwhelming response to this feature was:
- Don't do it.
- If you have to do it, keep it off by default.
- If it can't be off by default make it an extension or put it in another build.
- Dear god why won't you people listen?
Engagement would look like you're acting upon those concerns, or answering the direct questions you were presented with.
It doesn't look like picking sidequest arguments and deflecting from the actual poignant questions that were posed to you -- that's damage control, not engagement. -
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard mate you directly said I was portraying people here as crazies. I see why you'd want to try and wriggle out of that, but your message is right there.
@jaffathecake
I’d work on that reading comprehension before you make a complete fool of yourself, “mate”.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard
