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Google CEO tries to tell University students to love AI.

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  • tiredbun@akko.wtfT tiredbun@akko.wtf
    @drmorrisj @nixCraft

    I just think that trying to make distinction is useless, because the way AI companies earn money is with more investments because of overvalued investments and promises, which is another form of investment speculation, and the way people suffer for it isn't any speculation at all. When people say value of AI companies is speculative, they mean in that sense too.
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    @drmorrisj

    My idea is, phrasing it like your example - you should not invest into company that is based on promises of ghosts. So called luddites are more concerned with that company is killing people, but they also will be angry that promised ghosts are theoretical speculation, and that investors are going in because of promises and blankets made to look like ghosts.

    If that doesn't exactly fit a specific domain-specific definition of speculation and you technically wrong for calling investitions speculative, that doesn't really matter for the point. Maybe not ideal phrasing on the side of @nixCraft, but it's not really a fallacy.
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    • drmorrisj@mastodon.socialD drmorrisj@mastodon.social

      @tiredbun @nixCraft so... you were in fact defending the equivocation fallacy and have decided that if you cry hard enough somebody will say that you are correct? To bring it back into the realm of logic, the DOT com bubble was also overinflated. Therefore, according to your rules, the internet is speculative.

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      @drmorrisj @nixCraft

      Something having or not having speculative or overinflated value doesn't explicitly mean it will forever be that way. Internet is irrelevant here.

      Though I recognise I (especially in my first reply, in which I noted that definition you gave still seems to fit AI in my opinion) and nixcraft may be technically wrong for using a specific term instead of another it doesn't exactly mean much for the actual point, is what I want to say.
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      • tiredbun@akko.wtfT tiredbun@akko.wtf
        @drmorrisj @nixCraft

        Something having or not having speculative or overinflated value doesn't explicitly mean it will forever be that way. Internet is irrelevant here.

        Though I recognise I (especially in my first reply, in which I noted that definition you gave still seems to fit AI in my opinion) and nixcraft may be technically wrong for using a specific term instead of another it doesn't exactly mean much for the actual point, is what I want to say.
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        @tiredbun @nixCraft The difference between us is simple: I build the models, so I define them by what they do. You dislike the tech, so you define it by how it feels.

        ​Admitting you are "technically wrong" while claiming it "doesn't matter" is just a long-winded way of saying you are arguing from emotion. Next time you see a "ghost" in the machine, remember the math you could not be arsed to learn.

        ​Good luck with the content warnings

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        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

          Google CEO tries to tell University students to love AI. They tell him to BOO off.

          It is good to see kids are saying no and fighting back. Do you know why? Because the future of bots, AI and robots doesn't offer any jobs to these young kids. They know greedy AI companies want to get rid of working class. It is simple as that.

          For those who wish to read instead of the clip. See BBC page: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8pqd54qneo

          #ai #llm

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          @nixCraft holy shit. I heard about this, but I figured it was a few boos here and there. Dude got shouted out. Love to see it! Fuck that guy.

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            Google CEO tries to tell University students to love AI. They tell him to BOO off.

            It is good to see kids are saying no and fighting back. Do you know why? Because the future of bots, AI and robots doesn't offer any jobs to these young kids. They know greedy AI companies want to get rid of working class. It is simple as that.

            For those who wish to read instead of the clip. See BBC page: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8pqd54qneo

            #ai #llm

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            @nixCraft I think he may be confused; he conflated a next token generator with the entire concept of science.

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              Google CEO tries to tell University students to love AI. They tell him to BOO off.

              It is good to see kids are saying no and fighting back. Do you know why? Because the future of bots, AI and robots doesn't offer any jobs to these young kids. They know greedy AI companies want to get rid of working class. It is simple as that.

              For those who wish to read instead of the clip. See BBC page: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8pqd54qneo

              #ai #llm

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              @nixCraft
              Has he tried giving the speech to chat bots that are pretending to be graduating college? Might be a more receptive and sycophantic audience for him.

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              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                Google CEO tries to tell University students to love AI. They tell him to BOO off.

                It is good to see kids are saying no and fighting back. Do you know why? Because the future of bots, AI and robots doesn't offer any jobs to these young kids. They know greedy AI companies want to get rid of working class. It is simple as that.

                For those who wish to read instead of the clip. See BBC page: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8pqd54qneo

                #ai #llm

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                @nixCraft

                He’s such a smug shit too. Each of the speakers that have gone viral are absolutely clueless..

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                • phf@dmv.communityP phf@dmv.community

                  @christianrickert Just calling you on your ageist bullshit, that's all.

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                  @phf @christianrickert

                  My mother voted for Trump and explicitly told me "we know everything is going to collapse we just hope we're dead before it happens".

                  She claims to love her grandchildren.

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                  • lazarou@mastodon.socialL lazarou@mastodon.social

                    @ApostateEnglishman @nixCraft thinking about that Romanian dictator at the fall of Communism who had the whole crowd before him turn and he just didn't know what to do, the impudence paralysed him.

                    Didn't they finish him off in the end?

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                    @Lazarou @ApostateEnglishman @nixCraft Yup, Nicolae Ceaușescu. They executed him in 1989. His former palace is so large that the Romanian Parliament and a museum is inside with quite a bit of room left over

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                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                      @nixCraft
                      I love how he gets increasingly more & more dismissive & insulting as he goes on. Does he think people will find that persuasive?

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                      @artemis @nixCraft

                      I've been in a business meeting with Eric, and can confirm that has been a strategy of his for a while now.

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                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                        AI leaders like him and their AI companies are highly speculative and profit from that speculation in billions each yeer, while ordinary people like us and the kids in this video who boo and make similar speculations are called alarmists or Luddites.

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                        @nixCraft to the gallows with thee, draw and quarter them all in the streets like the villians they have decided to become.

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