Any recommendation for #SelfHosting a web app, useable on mobile as well as desktop for two people to collaborate making notes with basic WYSIWYG text formatting?
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@happyborg How about #Joplin?
@t0maz That looks very nice but they've made the server closed source. Shame, but profits > people in business.
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@t0maz That looks very nice but they've made the server closed source. Shame, but profits > people in business.
@happyborg @t0maz No way! Bummer, that sucks to hear.
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@t0maz That looks very nice but they've made the server closed source. Shame, but profits > people in business.
@happyborg I believe #Joplin server source is open but usage is limited to non-commercial?
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Any recommendation for #SelfHosting a web app, useable on mobile as well as desktop for two people to collaborate making notes with basic WYSIWYG text formatting?
The purpose is to help us maintain notes for #renovation and #refurbishment of our home. We're mostly apart so I think it would help being able to edit a list of documents. Say one per room, and for things like lighting, heating, #HomeAutomation etc.
Anyone done this?
#HomeLab #HomeAssistant@happyborg mabye bookstack?
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Any recommendation for #SelfHosting a web app, useable on mobile as well as desktop for two people to collaborate making notes with basic WYSIWYG text formatting?
The purpose is to help us maintain notes for #renovation and #refurbishment of our home. We're mostly apart so I think it would help being able to edit a list of documents. Say one per room, and for things like lighting, heating, #HomeAutomation etc.
Anyone done this?
#HomeLab #HomeAssistant@happyborg all good recommendations in this thread. Next cloud/own Cloud are probably overkill.
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@t0maz That looks very nice but they've made the server closed source. Shame, but profits > people in business.
@happyborg @t0maz where did you find this? At least current 3.6.1 is available as source: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin/releases/tag/server-v3.6.1
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@happyborg I believe #Joplin server source is open but usage is limited to non-commercial?
@t0maz ok, I'll check that.
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@happyborg @t0maz No way! Bummer, that sucks to hear.
@t0maz is correct. The server code is open and may be used non commercially. It's quite strict though, as I suspect many personal use cases could be argued to create value and therefore a 'profit' ("not use the Software to generate profits of any kind". See:
https://github.com/DavideRutigliano/joplin-server/blob/dev/packages/server/LICENSE.md )I'm not sure this as a risk for my use case in practice, but worth considering.
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@t0maz is correct. The server code is open and may be used non commercially. It's quite strict though, as I suspect many personal use cases could be argued to create value and therefore a 'profit' ("not use the Software to generate profits of any kind". See:
https://github.com/DavideRutigliano/joplin-server/blob/dev/packages/server/LICENSE.md )I'm not sure this as a risk for my use case in practice, but worth considering.
I'm veering away from #Joplin because I'm not clear if there is a useable web app. There's a beta repo last updated 2yrs ago, but I don't see the source in the main packages directory. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
The point of self hosting is somewhat lost if you have to use their native apps, particularly on mobile, especially now Google is enclosing Android.
Important goals for me are privacy and avoiding enshitification traps which are rapidly worsening.
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@davebooi Crumbs looks very nice, thanks. Easier to understand the situation (license, features, self hosting etc). The only thing I don't like is he's using LLM coding, but I'll keep in my list and maybe ask about that.
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I'm veering away from #Joplin because I'm not clear if there is a useable web app. There's a beta repo last updated 2yrs ago, but I don't see the source in the main packages directory. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
The point of self hosting is somewhat lost if you have to use their native apps, particularly on mobile, especially now Google is enclosing Android.
Important goals for me are privacy and avoiding enshitification traps which are rapidly worsening.
@happyborg @BenjaminNelan @t0maz
If you find a webapp, it will run in a browser ... vetted by Google. So what have you accomplished?
But you can consider #TiddlyWiki . Launch it from tiddlystow (https://btheado.github.io/tiddlystow/v2/ ) in your chromium-based browser and you have webapp-like tool. Use syncthing to share it with your other devices.
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@happyborg @BenjaminNelan @t0maz
If you find a webapp, it will run in a browser ... vetted by Google. So what have you accomplished?
But you can consider #TiddlyWiki . Launch it from tiddlystow (https://btheado.github.io/tiddlystow/v2/ ) in your chromium-based browser and you have webapp-like tool. Use syncthing to share it with your other devices.
@number6
If you're saying that a web app is no more secure and private than a native app (because Google make a browser and are trying to control the web), I'm pretty sure you are wrong now and for the medium term.You might be right one day but plenty of us work to prevent that, which is exactly why it is important to do what I'm doing.
If I've misunderstood, please explain.
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@number6
If you're saying that a web app is no more secure and private than a native app (because Google make a browser and are trying to control the web), I'm pretty sure you are wrong now and for the medium term.You might be right one day but plenty of us work to prevent that, which is exactly why it is important to do what I'm doing.
If I've misunderstood, please explain.
@BenjaminNelan @t0maz@happyborg @BenjaminNelan @t0maz
The browser is an app. The Joplin app is an app. Not sure I see the distinction.
But the important point was to look at #TidldlyWiki , if you want something that is app-free, runs anywhere.
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@happyborg @BenjaminNelan @t0maz
The browser is an app. The Joplin app is an app. Not sure I see the distinction.
But the important point was to look at #TidldlyWiki , if you want something that is app-free, runs anywhere.
@number6
Ok thanks for clarifying, but your premise is false because not all apps are the same.Tiddlywiki + syncthing (et al) have some advantages I agree, but are not well suited to my use case (eg setting up on every device, including mobiles versus sharing a link and having a sign up/login process that anyone can do without me). There are more but that's enough for my use case.
I do appreciate the suggestion though, thanks.
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Any recommendation for #SelfHosting a web app, useable on mobile as well as desktop for two people to collaborate making notes with basic WYSIWYG text formatting?
The purpose is to help us maintain notes for #renovation and #refurbishment of our home. We're mostly apart so I think it would help being able to edit a list of documents. Say one per room, and for things like lighting, heating, #HomeAutomation etc.
Anyone done this?
#HomeLab #HomeAssistant -
@happyborg Honestly any wiki software would probably be fine for this
@scottwi @happyborg true. I use DokuWiki for such things. It's simple to set up, and doesn't need a database as everything is stored in text files.
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@chewie do you use it much yourself? Looks very good.
Do you know what it's like on mobile? I saw a reference to Etherpad lite and wonder if that's for mobile in particular or not.
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Any recommendation for #SelfHosting a web app, useable on mobile as well as desktop for two people to collaborate making notes with basic WYSIWYG text formatting?
The purpose is to help us maintain notes for #renovation and #refurbishment of our home. We're mostly apart so I think it would help being able to edit a list of documents. Say one per room, and for things like lighting, heating, #HomeAutomation etc.
Anyone done this?
#HomeLab #HomeAssistant@happyborg
I have set up wiki-js for some similar undertaking. But it is still fresh and i am not it is overkill.#SelfHosting #renovation #refurbishment #HomeAutomation #HomeLab #HomeAssistant
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@chewie do you use it much yourself? Looks very good.
Do you know what it's like on mobile? I saw a reference to Etherpad lite and wonder if that's for mobile in particular or not.
@happyborg only indirectly - its used by either jitsi or BigBlueButton (can't remember which) for taking notes during conf calls, and notes from hacking/activist events. I don't host it myself
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