So if you're using Proton thinking it's "privacy-focused", it turns out they're giving data to the Feebs now.

[zyx@social.treehouse.systems]

@nitinkhanna @adrienne the solution is to abandon email itself

[franceskamann@freeradical.zone]

@adrienne

Any action that we take becomes the excuse to terrorize us. But police are terrorizing us before we take any actions and then they just lie about it. #stopcopcity

Proton let us know we can use cash to pay for their service. But who does that? How does that even work?

[infoseepage@mastodon.social]

@adrienne I pointed out just how problematic their CEO was quite a while ago. He's still running around with a Reddit username with 88 pined on the end.

[smolbrain@floofy.tech]

@adrienne fuuuuu....
What is the alternative? Just roll my own? Fucking hell...

[normjess@tech.lgbt]

@adrienne what alternative would you recommend?

[azuaron@cyberpunk.lol]

@adrienne The thing about every single company is that if the feds compel the company to give them data, and the company has that data, they will absolutely hand that data over. It's not a choice they're making.

This is why Proton includes payment options such as Bitcoin and mailing them cash. Then, they don't have the data, so they have nothing to hand the feds.

Payment options | Proton

Find out which payment methods and currencies you can use for your paid Proton subscription. How to pay with card, PayPal, Google Pay, Bitcoin, cash, bank transfer.

Proton (proton.me)

[michaelimodenwald@hessen.social]

@adrienne
@protonprivacy true?

[eldersea@expressional.social]

@adrienne The Proton PR person said "Proton only provides the limited information that we have when issued with a legally binding order from Swiss authorities, which can only happen after all Swiss legal checks are passed. This is an important distinction because Proton operates exclusively under Swiss law.”

I have no idea if this is true, I'm not a lawyer etc etc, but if it is...is this behavior not to be expected if any email provider's locale legally requires it?

Unless they can delete the payment info after it goes through, which is obviously a boon for privacy, but I have no clue what Swiss law might have to say on that front.

[wcbdata@vis.social]

@adrienne I'm no defender of Proton (looking for an offroad from them, actually), but in this case, they were compelled by legal action from the Swiss government to hand over payment data. Since the payor had used a credit card that traced back to an individual, the Swiss government could find that person. And the FBI somehow (legally?) got ahold of the data from the Swiss. This circumstance is not unique to Proton - it would apply to any legally operating business with credit card customers.

[bluetea@ioc.exchange]

@adrienne so the MLAT warrant was obtained under false presences (no officer had been shot) - surely there are legal or at least diplomatic consequences for that? Like a company having to comply with national laws is reasonable, otherwise they cease to operate. It's a worry when international agreements mean supporting oppression in other countries.

[doraii@furry.engineer]

@adrienne fiiiine I'll move to tuta this time