The amount of propaganda bots trying to sign up lately is bonkers.
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@idlebrain one of the biggest challenges I’ve run into is defining where the line is between propaganda, and someone’s heartfelt genuine belief. Particularly if you consider that generally people who have a particular view will consider opposing views this propaganda.
@jerry @idlebrain propaganda comes two ways
one, directly from the source
two, from people who amplify
Fedi (the corners I'm in) has so far had very little of the latter because there's been so little of the former.
But bot accounts are sharply on the rise; now I get more bots than humans trying to follow me, when previously it was the reverse.
The landscape is changing and we'll have to adapt - I hope we beat the bad actor's pace with social-technical tools and improvements that let us collaboratively approach the problem literally more efficiently than they can pollute.
For example, this is what captchas used to do: they raised the cost and effort beyond the expected return, so doing more things that involved breaking captchas just lost money faster.
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@jerry REMEMBER WHY WE'RE HERE!
@macacator judging by your post we're here to meme!
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The amount of propaganda bots trying to sign up lately is bonkers. The fediverse feels like it’s becoming a battleground for information warfare. Be safe out there
@jerry I haven’t seen any of these, so thank you very much for all of your work to make that possible!
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@michaelgraaf @jerry True. I have a big challenge with bots 'signing up' to a wiki I look after, complete with email confirmation fulfillment. Dozens a day.
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@benroyce @wilbr @jairajdevadiga @idlebrain I argue that propaganda doesn’t have to be a lie to be propaganda. I am reminded of my time in China - the news there only covered accomplishments and successes in China and only covered problems and failures from western countries. None of it was a lie. But it was definitely propaganda. That is what we are seeing a lot of here. Plus, it’s often challenging to determine what is true or not without an army of fact checkers at our disposal.
@jerry @benroyce @wilbr @jairajdevadiga @idlebrain Yes, some of the propaganda accounts are really good. I saw some account that was stoking resentment against the UK government and it was also engaging with some normal content. But if you went to their profile page, sure enough all of the usual Kremlin talking points were there, up to and including MH17 denial. I can imagine that moderating this stuff is really hard because at first glance they just look like someone with really strong opinions.
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@jerry Maybe fedi sites should have like a #CombatArena area/hashtag. A proving ground, so to speak, for new accounts? Kind of like an adversarial open mic night?
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The amount of propaganda bots trying to sign up lately is bonkers. The fediverse feels like it’s becoming a battleground for information warfare. Be safe out there
@jerry Like I said before: any social network without strict *premoderation* vetting of new accounts will eventually become a trollbot network.
I was ignored, and here we are.
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@strypey But god's mercy be with us, if ever someone takes over the account of @catsalad or @briankrebs.
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@idlebrain one of the biggest challenges I’ve run into is defining where the line is between propaganda, and someone’s heartfelt genuine belief. Particularly if you consider that generally people who have a particular view will consider opposing views this propaganda.
@jerry @idlebrain and this is what makes you an awesome moderator! Keep up the good fight.
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The amount of propaganda bots trying to sign up lately is bonkers. The fediverse feels like it’s becoming a battleground for information warfare. Be safe out there
In addition, it seems to me that there's at least one instance whose only purpose is hosting bot or troll accounts.
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The amount of propaganda bots trying to sign up lately is bonkers. The fediverse feels like it’s becoming a battleground for information warfare. Be safe out there
@jerry Rejoice, it means the Fediverse has arrived: it's now a platform worth attacking.
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@jerry @benroyce @wilbr @jairajdevadiga @idlebrain Yes, some of the propaganda accounts are really good. I saw some account that was stoking resentment against the UK government and it was also engaging with some normal content. But if you went to their profile page, sure enough all of the usual Kremlin talking points were there, up to and including MH17 denial. I can imagine that moderating this stuff is really hard because at first glance they just look like someone with really strong opinions.
@mkoek @jerry @wilbr @jairajdevadiga @idlebrain
another example
recently there was a mini-campaign of coordinated harassment: reporting to mods and admins via # fediblock, targeting a well known ukrainian
what was interesting about this effort, to me personally, is that since i hunt vatnik accounts, and have had some success, the accounts doing this had preemptively blocked me when they made these harassment accounts
i found them searching while logged out
the mods have such headaches
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@macacator judging by your post we're here to meme!
@datum I mean, not just to meme. You can do more things than meme, like mime, or type, or share. Humans can multitask.
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The amount of propaganda bots trying to sign up lately is bonkers. The fediverse feels like it’s becoming a battleground for information warfare. Be safe out there
@jerry I've seen a bunch of those in the general feed spewing nonsense and hate. The beauty is there's no algorithm here to stuff those in your face. If I go to look at the profile, I'll see perhaps hundreds of posts but only single digit followers. I assume those are just folks monitoring their own bots.
I'll also note that I'm in a demographic that doesn't see targeted attacks so perhaps there's a problem with these I'm not aware of.
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@idlebrain one of the biggest challenges I’ve run into is defining where the line is between propaganda, and someone’s heartfelt genuine belief. Particularly if you consider that generally people who have a particular view will consider opposing views this propaganda.
@jerry @idlebrain With propaganda comes misinformation.
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