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Remember the talk I purposed for #39c3 about the push for DRM, firmware lock-in and surveillance on 3D printers by gun control lobby groups in the name of preventing gun violence?

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  • tthbaltazar@chaos.socialT tthbaltazar@chaos.social

    @HackyScientress
    *remembers DIY printers made from generic parts*

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    @tthbaltazar Yeah the bill makes that illegal. It's so fucked up.

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    • hackyscientress@chaos.socialH hackyscientress@chaos.social

      And the bill is written so broad that it also would apply to CNC mills, lathes, laser cutters, water jet cutters, etc. It applies to any type of automated additive or subtractive manufacturing.

      It even requires the machines to do a check against a cloud service.

      And building your own printer with marlin or some other open source solution? Congrats you have to pay a fine of a couple thousand dollars and/or will go to jail.

      This is bad, really bad.

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      @HackyScientress holy fucking shit

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      • hackyscientress@chaos.socialH hackyscientress@chaos.social

        @tthbaltazar Yeah the bill makes that illegal. It's so fucked up.

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        @HackyScientress
        not like criminals going to care that it's illegal lol

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        • tthbaltazar@chaos.socialT tthbaltazar@chaos.social

          @HackyScientress
          not like criminals going to care that it's illegal lol

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          @tthbaltazar @HackyScientress so I guess prusa will be Europe only now?

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            @tthbaltazar @HackyScientress so I guess prusa will be Europe only now?

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            @commanderred @tthbaltazar Bill has not passed yet and it's currently just the state of Washington.

            If Prusa is smart they will just stop selling their printers to that state and pitch in with lobbying against such laws

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            • hackyscientress@chaos.socialH hackyscientress@chaos.social

              And the bill is written so broad that it also would apply to CNC mills, lathes, laser cutters, water jet cutters, etc. It applies to any type of automated additive or subtractive manufacturing.

              It even requires the machines to do a check against a cloud service.

              And building your own printer with marlin or some other open source solution? Congrats you have to pay a fine of a couple thousand dollars and/or will go to jail.

              This is bad, really bad.

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              There is more to the 3D printer DRM surveillance push.

              There is a company that designed a system for surveillance and DRM of 3d printers. And they are actively lobbying it to politicians and 3D printer manufacturers.

              This is really bad and we need to started working against this. This company in based in Spain. So don't believe for one second that this is going to be a US thing only. I bet they are already lobbying big time in Brussels.

              There is a video about it:
              https://youtu.be/tGEVra9U91I

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              • hackyscientress@chaos.socialH hackyscientress@chaos.social

                There is more to the 3D printer DRM surveillance push.

                There is a company that designed a system for surveillance and DRM of 3d printers. And they are actively lobbying it to politicians and 3D printer manufacturers.

                This is really bad and we need to started working against this. This company in based in Spain. So don't believe for one second that this is going to be a US thing only. I bet they are already lobbying big time in Brussels.

                There is a video about it:
                https://youtu.be/tGEVra9U91I

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                The company behind this push is the company PRINTANDGO AM SOLUTIONS SL in Spain.

                They describe their surveillance software in this blog post: https://printandgo.tech/blog/3d-gunt-solution-to-prevent-3d-printed-ghost-guns

                And of course they are lying in the blog post, claiming that you can manufacture guns just with a 3d printer. No this is not true. It's way more complicated in reality.

                3D printed guns are mostly a US thing because of the quirks of US gun legislation where vital parts are easy to buy without paperwork.

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                • hackyscientress@chaos.socialH hackyscientress@chaos.social

                  The company behind this push is the company PRINTANDGO AM SOLUTIONS SL in Spain.

                  They describe their surveillance software in this blog post: https://printandgo.tech/blog/3d-gunt-solution-to-prevent-3d-printed-ghost-guns

                  And of course they are lying in the blog post, claiming that you can manufacture guns just with a 3d printer. No this is not true. It's way more complicated in reality.

                  3D printed guns are mostly a US thing because of the quirks of US gun legislation where vital parts are easy to buy without paperwork.

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                  @HackyScientress yes and no.

                  3D printing guns is also pioneered by Germans who did so specifically in continuation to the work of #Luty, out of conviction that the only human rghts are those one can enforce against the will of the government.

                  • Even then the only parts that can't be 3D-printed (beyond single-use /disposable items) are the pressure-bearing parts, and those were restricted even before the EU gunban bs.

                  Needless to say cyberfascist govware in 3D printers won't stop shite.

                  • Just like the Omron-Rings aka. EURion-Constellation didn't stop Euro bills from being counterfeilt.

                  The USA is just one of the few juristictions where DIYing modern guns isn't banned per se on a national level…

                  • And trying to do so would be reason for those that look away amidst the beyond - stochastic terrorism of the American Gestapo aka. ICE to start a civil war!

                  Needless to say the FGC-9 is actually being fielded in Burma by self-defense units

                  • Criminalization won't solve issues, in fact it'll only make it harder to intervene where necessary and waste officers' time with non-violent & victimless offenses (see drugs) that would be better spent going after violent crime amd those that steal from society by not.just refusing to pay.their fair share, but stealng taxpayers' money (see Cum-Ex & Cum-Cum investigations being [self-]sabotaged by the German Government!
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                  • hackyscientress@chaos.socialH hackyscientress@chaos.social

                    Remember the talk I purposed for #39c3 about the push for DRM, firmware lock-in and surveillance on 3D printers by gun control lobby groups in the name of preventing gun violence?

                    Well the first bill is here for exactly that. It requires manufactures of 3D printers to prevent the use of 3rd party firmware and the introduction of an algorithm that guesses if a print is a gun part and prevents the printer from printing in that case.

                    Louis Rossmann made a video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-9ISzMhBM

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                    @HackyScientress
                    wtf, this is a bleak outlook

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                    • kkarhan@infosec.spaceK kkarhan@infosec.space

                      @HackyScientress yes and no.

                      3D printing guns is also pioneered by Germans who did so specifically in continuation to the work of #Luty, out of conviction that the only human rghts are those one can enforce against the will of the government.

                      • Even then the only parts that can't be 3D-printed (beyond single-use /disposable items) are the pressure-bearing parts, and those were restricted even before the EU gunban bs.

                      Needless to say cyberfascist govware in 3D printers won't stop shite.

                      • Just like the Omron-Rings aka. EURion-Constellation didn't stop Euro bills from being counterfeilt.

                      The USA is just one of the few juristictions where DIYing modern guns isn't banned per se on a national level…

                      • And trying to do so would be reason for those that look away amidst the beyond - stochastic terrorism of the American Gestapo aka. ICE to start a civil war!

                      Needless to say the FGC-9 is actually being fielded in Burma by self-defense units

                      • Criminalization won't solve issues, in fact it'll only make it harder to intervene where necessary and waste officers' time with non-violent & victimless offenses (see drugs) that would be better spent going after violent crime amd those that steal from society by not.just refusing to pay.their fair share, but stealng taxpayers' money (see Cum-Ex & Cum-Cum investigations being [self-]sabotaged by the German Government!
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                      @HackyScientress the giod part about such cyberfascist bullshit is that technology makes it obsolete because they "Can't Stop The Signal" and "The Know-How and Technology is already out there"!

                      • Like worst-case people can DIY an FCG-9 with a drill, benchtop power supply, file, sandpaper, scraps of wood and metal.

                        • It'll merely increase time and cost, just like banning access to chemicals, which only create more issues due to the dangerous means of DIYing these.

                      In the end the only profiteers of criminalization are Organized Crime!

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                      • hackyscientress@chaos.socialH hackyscientress@chaos.social

                        The company behind this push is the company PRINTANDGO AM SOLUTIONS SL in Spain.

                        They describe their surveillance software in this blog post: https://printandgo.tech/blog/3d-gunt-solution-to-prevent-3d-printed-ghost-guns

                        And of course they are lying in the blog post, claiming that you can manufacture guns just with a 3d printer. No this is not true. It's way more complicated in reality.

                        3D printed guns are mostly a US thing because of the quirks of US gun legislation where vital parts are easy to buy without paperwork.

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                        @HackyScientress Yeah, where do I get the bullets for this gun? At K-Mart? Sorry mate, no such K-Mart available here.

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                        • hackyscientress@chaos.socialH hackyscientress@chaos.social

                          @leah ja leider.

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                          @leah @HackyScientress +1

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