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@benroyce @crow i think there is a significant and unjustified shifting of blame going on when people say that normal posts have 'caused' panic attacks, nightmares, and so on.
non-extreme posts are not the primary cause of mental health tailspins. a picture of a sandwich does not 'cause' someone to spiral into an eating disorder relapse. if something so innocuous sets that person off, they were already on the brink, and it's unfair to blame the sandwich poster for severe mental health issues that were actually caused by something else.
exactly. there is a range of normal posts and what people consider that to be obviously has large grey areas
but then there are also some demands for care and concern that are so absurd and extreme it is not possible for anyone well intentioned and sincere to even remotely adhere to them
some people just want a giant CW on every single post in existence apparently
or rather, they are controlling busybodies who get off on gatekeeping
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@mastodonmigration @benroyce @crow
OK sure. But new folks who join the platform - especially when they come from wild west sites like twitter - need to be socialized to the mores here. And without a gentle comment, how are they supposed to learn those rules? Blocking without comment doesn't help anyone.
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exactly. there is a range of normal posts and what people consider that to be obviously has large grey areas
but then there are also some demands for care and concern that are so absurd and extreme it is not possible for anyone well intentioned and sincere to even remotely adhere to them
some people just want a giant CW on every single post in existence apparently
or rather, they are controlling busybodies who get off on gatekeeping
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@mastodonmigration @benroyce @crow
OK sure. But new folks who join the platform - especially when they come from wild west sites like twitter - need to be socialized to the mores here. And without a gentle comment, how are they supposed to learn those rules? Blocking without comment doesn't help anyone.
@jawarajabbi @mastodonmigration @crow
i think you're conflating two different things
a gentle reminder they aren't on twitter anymore isn't anything remotely like "could you CW this content that might trigger according to some absurd level of concern, perhaps even a fake contrived concern just so i get to busy body gatekeep"
in fact the latter only makes new accounts go "what they fuck is wrong with this place" rather than learning any sort of mastodon ethos
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i see what you're saying. double the text, double the bandwidth. make mastodon traffic look huge! (/s)
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@mastodonmigration @benroyce @crow
OK sure. But new folks who join the platform - especially when they come from wild west sites like twitter - need to be socialized to the mores here. And without a gentle comment, how are they supposed to learn those rules? Blocking without comment doesn't help anyone.
As Ben points out you might want to discuss it with them. That's up to you. But, if it bugs you and you don't feel up to it, you also have the option the block them.
The point is that you can use the platform however you want so long as it doesn't violate the rules of your instance.
The recourse others have is to remove you from their experience.
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@benroyce we have the freedom to post exactly as we want to AND we have the freedom to block posters that don't bring value (value defined beyond money) into our worlds.
I got into an internet fight with an economics journalist because he was antagonizing people about content warnings and how no one would see his posts if he used content warnings. Which makes me wonder how good a journalist is if he can't write a headline on a CW that would create appropriate engagement. A CW header doesn't just have to list all of the triggering items, it can be used just like a headline.
i feel you but i can't agree
CW is not a headline. it is meant to warn about sensitive content. of course it can be used in other ways, but as a warning is its intended purpose and how most people view its use
and anytime you hide content, no matter how minor, you hide content. it's certainly not censorship but it is also certainly a real impediment to engagement
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exactly. there is a range of normal posts and what people consider that to be obviously has large grey areas
but then there are also some demands for care and concern that are so absurd and extreme it is not possible for anyone well intentioned and sincere to even remotely adhere to them
some people just want a giant CW on every single post in existence apparently
or rather, they are controlling busybodies who get off on gatekeeping
@benroyce @ignova @crow Mastodon will literally add CWs for you based on keywords. It's not a perfect system, but no-one is entitled to move through life insulated from every little thing they personally don't want to encounter - and making it up to other people to pander to all your idiosyncratic aversions and phobias is unreasonable.
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@benroyce @ignova @crow Mastodon will literally add CWs for you based on keywords. It's not a perfect system, but no-one is entitled to move through life insulated from every little thing they personally don't want to encounter - and making it up to other people to pander to all your idiosyncratic aversions and phobias is unreasonable.
I've no time for the HOA gatekeepers who can't take some
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@benroyce @ignova @crow Mastodon will literally add CWs for you based on keywords. It's not a perfect system, but no-one is entitled to move through life insulated from every little thing they personally don't want to encounter - and making it up to other people to pander to all your idiosyncratic aversions and phobias is unreasonable.
I've no time for the HOA gatekeepers who can't take some
adult responsibility for what they see online.@ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @ignova @crow
This is something I've always remarked on Mastodon.
Each one of us has the power to curate our own timelines to our needs. I've had extensive muted word lists in the past when I was feeling particularly sensitive.
Only thing I didn't like was when people skirted around words, so the muting didn't work (example: saying "Orange Turd" instead of "Donald Trump", or not clarifying anywhere).
I still didn't go around telling people what to post.
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@ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @ignova @crow
This is something I've always remarked on Mastodon.
Each one of us has the power to curate our own timelines to our needs. I've had extensive muted word lists in the past when I was feeling particularly sensitive.
Only thing I didn't like was when people skirted around words, so the muting didn't work (example: saying "Orange Turd" instead of "Donald Trump", or not clarifying anywhere).
I still didn't go around telling people what to post.
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i need to rant about #ContentWarning creep
i posted once of a Ukrainian reporter whose corpse was abused by Russia. i got calls for #CW. no pictures, no text details, just a link to a story
i suspect some CW calls are a manipulation to hide fascist abuse
certainly some are sincere
but they aren't serving a valid goal. an extreme level of sensitivity is absurd and unactionable
gore? absolutely CW
but some calls serve #fascism by hiding abuse. abuse we rightfully need to broadcast
I've complained about this many times ... Hugz
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Please don't block me ... I'm 71% brat ... Giggles
I totally agree with you too
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I've complained about this many times ... Hugz
Giggles
Please don't block me ... I'm 71% brat ... Giggles
I totally agree with you too
Hugz & xXx
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i need to rant about #ContentWarning creep
i posted once of a Ukrainian reporter whose corpse was abused by Russia. i got calls for #CW. no pictures, no text details, just a link to a story
i suspect some CW calls are a manipulation to hide fascist abuse
certainly some are sincere
but they aren't serving a valid goal. an extreme level of sensitivity is absurd and unactionable
gore? absolutely CW
but some calls serve #fascism by hiding abuse. abuse we rightfully need to broadcast
@benroyce content warnings started as an empathetic, human consideration. But like anything else, it doesn't take long for them to be co-opted and watered down to meaninglessness by the marketing machine.
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and you can see me in the replies angry at people calling for a CW on the post
we *need* to get the word out. that overrules some sensitivities that are far from the standard boilerplate sensitivities that absolutely call for a CW
in fact i would think that people who have been victims of police brutality, whatever their sensitivity to such content, would agree with us that that is the right approach
@benroyce I would hope the fediverse of all places would encourage us to expose these atrocities.
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i see what you're saying. double the text, double the bandwidth. make mastodon traffic look huge! (/s)
@benroyce @msbellows @ignova @crow with that CW I expected some serious sh*t in your toot
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You do get that the word abuse itself is a memory trigger for abused people who don't like to be triggered by some news - no matter how valid or important it is?
If you get that, you understand that CW isn't there to censor, but to be nice and to make life better for certain people. That's part of why people use the Fediverse and don't use Twitter.@gobsmacked @benroyce I agree that authoritarianism and political violence should not be covered up. But I’m not convinced that there’s a dichotomy between denying or covering up fascist acts and broadcasting fascist acts to everyone. Does every person need to know the details of fascist acts? I would like to allow people to be able to opt out of reading or viewing material that they personally deem to be distressing, as much as possible and acknowledging that it might not be possible for an individual to avoid seeing every thing that is distressing to them.
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@benroyce @crow i think there is a significant and unjustified shifting of blame going on when people say that normal posts have 'caused' panic attacks, nightmares, and so on.
non-extreme posts are not the primary cause of mental health tailspins. a picture of a sandwich does not 'cause' someone to spiral into an eating disorder relapse. if something so innocuous sets that person off, they were already on the brink, and it's unfair to blame the sandwich poster for severe mental health issues that were actually caused by something else.
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@benroyce Man, I am sick to death of people trying to enforce CWs. Responsible adults do NOT expect others to placate their sensibilities/fears/etc.
So anyone trying to enforce CWs is doing that because of *their own* sensibilities/fears/etc., you think
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