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The reason so many companies fight against labor unions is not necessary the financial aspect.

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  • benlockwood@ecoevo.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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    The reason so many companies fight against labor unions is not necessary the financial aspect. They often spend more money fighting than they would negotiating. The primary reason is that worker organization threatens the very existence of the managerial and ownership class.

    wordshaper@weatherishappening.networkW steve@social.coopS martinvermeer@fediscience.orgM yakyunightowl@mastodon.worldY shonin@c.imS 6 Replies Last reply
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      The reason so many companies fight against labor unions is not necessary the financial aspect. They often spend more money fighting than they would negotiating. The primary reason is that worker organization threatens the very existence of the managerial and ownership class.

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      @benlockwood Pretty convinced that 95% of the pushback against unions is "how dare you think you peons can tell me what I can make you do"

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      • benlockwood@ecoevo.socialB benlockwood@ecoevo.social

        The reason so many companies fight against labor unions is not necessary the financial aspect. They often spend more money fighting than they would negotiating. The primary reason is that worker organization threatens the very existence of the managerial and ownership class.

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        @benlockwood This establishes that capitalism *can* think long term, but it usually chooses not to.

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        • steve@social.coopS steve@social.coop

          @benlockwood This establishes that capitalism *can* think long term, but it usually chooses not to.

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          @Steve Maybe. You could also argue that capitalists view worker organization as the more immediate (short term) threat

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            @Steve Maybe. You could also argue that capitalists view worker organization as the more immediate (short term) threat

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            @benlockwood To be clear, I'm using "long-term" to mean anything past the next quarterly earnings report.

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            • benlockwood@ecoevo.socialB benlockwood@ecoevo.social

              The reason so many companies fight against labor unions is not necessary the financial aspect. They often spend more money fighting than they would negotiating. The primary reason is that worker organization threatens the very existence of the managerial and ownership class.

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              @benlockwood Note also that a trade union isn't just about fighting for the material interests of its members / the workers. It is also an information channel directly to the workers not owned by the ownership class, undermining the oligopoly of corporate mainstream media.

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                The reason so many companies fight against labor unions is not necessary the financial aspect. They often spend more money fighting than they would negotiating. The primary reason is that worker organization threatens the very existence of the managerial and ownership class.

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                @benlockwood Truth. Powell's Books spent quite a bit more fighting a union than they ever would have otherwise.

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                • benlockwood@ecoevo.socialB benlockwood@ecoevo.social

                  The reason so many companies fight against labor unions is not necessary the financial aspect. They often spend more money fighting than they would negotiating. The primary reason is that worker organization threatens the very existence of the managerial and ownership class.

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                  @benlockwood Unnecessary classes run into this problem all the time.

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                  • steve@social.coopS steve@social.coop

                    @benlockwood To be clear, I'm using "long-term" to mean anything past the next quarterly earnings report.

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                    @Steve @benlockwood The mere existence of a union lowers investor interest in the company, thus also the value of restricted stock. That's even more important than the next quarterly earnings report, because it dips straight into the top managers' pockets.

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                    • benlockwood@ecoevo.socialB benlockwood@ecoevo.social

                      The reason so many companies fight against labor unions is not necessary the financial aspect. They often spend more money fighting than they would negotiating. The primary reason is that worker organization threatens the very existence of the managerial and ownership class.

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                      @benlockwood @Guillotine_Jones I have wondered about the $ aspect…thanks

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                      • steve@social.coopS steve@social.coop

                        @benlockwood To be clear, I'm using "long-term" to mean anything past the next quarterly earnings report.

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                        @Steve @benlockwood „These plebs dare” doesn’t stretch past midnight.

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