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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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    @cwebber

    developers who delegated coding to AI produced working code but failed conceptual understanding

    I wish tech industry would have that sink in

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    • gytisrepecka@social.gyt.isG gytisrepecka@social.gyt.is

      @cwebber

      developers who delegated coding to AI produced working code but failed conceptual understanding

      I wish tech industry would have that sink in

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      @gytisrepecka @cwebber "working"

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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        @cwebber I have been developing Adverserial skills....

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        • katls@ohai.socialK katls@ohai.social

          @cwebber and there it is: our education system has mostly been designed for compliance. It needs a redesign because humans will follow the incentives. We are not complicated that way. 🐒🍌 We need to incentivize critical thinking.

          Thankfully, compliance was never one of my parenting goals. Nor should it be anyone’s.

          Cooperation is a much better goal.

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          @KatLS @cwebber critical thinking is not something schools will ever teach, sadly. It's just not good for ruling/owning classes.

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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            @cwebber I got round this by lacking skills in the first place. #Winning

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            • lizzard@social.tchncs.deL lizzard@social.tchncs.de

              @KatLS @cwebber critical thinking is not something schools will ever teach, sadly. It's just not good for ruling/owning classes.

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              @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber Many schools try. It’s not easy to teach critical thinking. My school certainly tried to teach me, but I was an awful student. I thankfully had a family who found ways to make sure I learned that, if nothing else.

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              • C clickymcticker@hachyderm.io

                @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber Many schools try. It’s not easy to teach critical thinking. My school certainly tried to teach me, but I was an awful student. I thankfully had a family who found ways to make sure I learned that, if nothing else.

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                @ClickyMcTicker @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber My AP English teacher had a unit on logical fallacies and how to detect them. The science teachers (especially at AP level) were pretty consistent at teaching how to approach problems critically and not just plug numbers into an equation. All of this in a bland, middle-class public (USA) high school that spent way too much on football and not enough on teachers. Then again, that was also almost 40 years ago.

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                • dpnash@c.imD dpnash@c.im

                  @ClickyMcTicker @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber My AP English teacher had a unit on logical fallacies and how to detect them. The science teachers (especially at AP level) were pretty consistent at teaching how to approach problems critically and not just plug numbers into an equation. All of this in a bland, middle-class public (USA) high school that spent way too much on football and not enough on teachers. Then again, that was also almost 40 years ago.

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                  @dpnash @ClickyMcTicker @lizzard @cwebber I was likewise lucky in the 80s to have at least a few teachers that did this work. Mr. Jayne was the best history teacher ever🩷

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                    @cwebber It’s compounded by prior generations of decreasing education in arts and humanities, leading to adults (parents) who themselves did not learn creative thinking, ethics, or different cultures. I remember 20 years ago a comp sci professor complaining that his university was churning out tech grads with terrible communication skills. Those are now the “45 year olds” whose abilities atrophy “but could recover”. Their kids didn’t stand a chance against AI.

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                      @cwebber I filed this under "Interesting if true". I'd love to believe it.

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                        @cwebber

                        Worrying…

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                          @PattyHanson that's not really the same thing. Checks have been getting rarer and rarer for decades. I haven't seen a check in almost 20 years. Something that was important for you to understand when you were younger just isn't true for your grandson. Your son probably hasn't needed to use a check for a long time either and therefore teaching his kids about them just never came up. He's not failing because he didn't deliberately sit them down and explain what a check is.

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                          • C clickymcticker@hachyderm.io

                            @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber Many schools try. It’s not easy to teach critical thinking. My school certainly tried to teach me, but I was an awful student. I thankfully had a family who found ways to make sure I learned that, if nothing else.

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                            @ClickyMcTicker @KatLS @cwebber many teachers try. I'm not so sure about the system as a whole. I'm not even thinking about the US here, I'm not from there. Just as a general class education thing.

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                              @cwebber

                              Considering that the humans are doing an absolutely terrible job, I figure the AI systems can at least be measured....

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                              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                                @cwebber Algorithmic complacency kills curiosity and eventually free will.

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                                  @cwebber i saw that the other day. I found the author's aside about how they use it to summarize "hundreds" of papers a bit alarming.

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                                  • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

                                    @ai6yr @cwebber When mentoring students I often get the question - how do you figure things out so quickly.

                                    Then I tell them that I've been messing with hardware and software since I was in my early teens - and I made tons of (innocent) mistakes.

                                    When you get to be an adult you then know how to approach complex systems where you might not have this much margin.

                                    Much of it is heuristics. Offloading heuristics (despite biases) is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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                                    @koen_hufkens @ai6yr @cwebber Everything I ever did for a job was noticing patterns and applying them in new situations.

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                                    • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      @cwebber i saw that the other day. I found the author's aside about how they use it to summarize "hundreds" of papers a bit alarming.

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                                      @aeva @cwebber yes, he seems way too optimistic about the situation of "adults", himself included, using this technology.

                                      Meanwhile, my university is making LLMs available for students on its platforms with the reasoning, quote:

                                      "The available tools are intended to be used responsibly and treated as support in the process of acquiring knowledge and developing one’s own skills."

                                      ... and I want to eat my hat. Students supposed to develop their research skill are sąbotaged by the university.

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                                      • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        @cwebber i saw that the other day. I found the author's aside about how they use it to summarize "hundreds" of papers a bit alarming.

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                                        @aeva @cwebber yeah there was a lot of very confident "well it's okay if *i* do it, i can always spot the problems!"

                                        it's like. can you though. can you spot the problems you didn't spot though. how would that work, exactly

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                                        • aatch@mastodon.nzA aatch@mastodon.nz

                                          @PattyHanson that's not really the same thing. Checks have been getting rarer and rarer for decades. I haven't seen a check in almost 20 years. Something that was important for you to understand when you were younger just isn't true for your grandson. Your son probably hasn't needed to use a check for a long time either and therefore teaching his kids about them just never came up. He's not failing because he didn't deliberately sit them down and explain what a check is.

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                                          @aatch @PattyHanson i went my entire life without seeing a paper check until i moved to the US

                                          i'm in my 40s

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