It sounds as if electric trucks are great for long-range land transport.
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@NMBA @david_chisnall I dream of the day a train pulls up in a station and a pile of delivery robots pile out of the wagons and off down the road
@NMBA @etchedpixels @david_chisnall it’s surprising how long small scale intermodal freight lasted in Germany - into the 1990s! https://bahnwelt.de/neuigkeiten/sanierung-eines-historischen-von-haus-zu-haus-behaelters/
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It sounds as if electric trucks are great for long-range land transport. But they require heavy batteries, so rather than putting them on the road (where they'll damage the road surface), why don't we build special metal tracks for them to go on? And, on long trips, join a bunch of them together so that you only need one motor and driver for a load of them travelling in a convoy? I bet you could make freight transport a lot more efficient if you did that.
@david_chisnall - Now that is thinking out of the box.
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How about replaceable batteries, changed at fuel stops/services, changeable in whole or part, with a turn around time similar to liquid fueling. It shouldn't be impossible to design a secure vehicle-mounted battery cradle, a secure connector to supply the fitted motor, and a small loading crane or lift truck to automate the transfer. Recharging could be by local renewables at the fuel stop, supplemented by off peak electricity.@SometimesLovely @david_chisnall
> changed at fuel stops/services
Only in China. Since 2021. -
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@jpetazzo @david_chisnall but why? Have you ever been to a parcel sorting center? Why, with our current level of software and robotics, is there no system where standardized boxes are automatically routed cross-country, leaving just the first and last mile to trucks?
@cm @david_chisnall you're inches away from reinventing the intermodal shipping container, my friend
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@david_chisnall and if you put up wires above you can ditch the Batteries alltogether…
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@david_chisnall Meanwhile #Vietnam is doing boring stuff, like #HighSpeedRail along it's major cities...
- Almost as if #Japan, #Korea, #France and #Germany had the right idea doing that!
- Plus it's pretty clear that it's unsustainable to have everyone own a #car - or even #scooter, and #PublicTransport is the only #scalable and #sustainable option...
- Almost as if #Japan, #Korea, #France and #Germany had the right idea doing that!
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It sounds as if electric trucks are great for long-range land transport. But they require heavy batteries, so rather than putting them on the road (where they'll damage the road surface), why don't we build special metal tracks for them to go on? And, on long trips, join a bunch of them together so that you only need one motor and driver for a load of them travelling in a convoy? I bet you could make freight transport a lot more efficient if you did that.
@david_chisnall we could also hang wires above these special roads and have a system so that the trucks don't need batteries anymore and can just be power by the electric grid.
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What's amazing to me is that we already did this in the early 1900s in the Western US and the trains were electric.
@david_chisnall @ryanjyoder Internal combustion was a distraction. We would be far more advanced as a species today if it hadn't been for it.
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What's amazing to me is that we already did this in the early 1900s in the Western US and the trains were electric.@ryanjyoder never knew that!
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@ryanjyoder never knew that!
@saja0486
It's a pretty amazing history.
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@saja0486
It's a pretty amazing history.
http://www.pdxhistory.com/html/red_electrics.html@ryanjyoder I’m from Eugene, and I want to ask my stepdad about it now. He was born and raised in Oregon and was a kid during that time frame or at least not long afterwards. Would be interesting to hear what he knows about it or experienced.
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@saja0486
It's a pretty amazing history.
http://www.pdxhistory.com/html/red_electrics.html@ryanjyoder thanks for the link.
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@saja0486
It's a pretty amazing history.
http://www.pdxhistory.com/html/red_electrics.html@ryanjyoder looks a lot like the train cars in the former Eugene electric station restaurant. I believe the restaurant used to be the Eugene train station back in the day.
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@ryanjyoder looks a lot like the train cars in the former Eugene electric station restaurant. I believe the restaurant used to be the Eugene train station back in the day.
@saja0486
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What's amazing to me is that we already did this in the early 1900s in the Western US and the trains were electric.@ryanjyoder @david_chisnall
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It sounds as if electric trucks are great for long-range land transport. But they require heavy batteries, so rather than putting them on the road (where they'll damage the road surface), why don't we build special metal tracks for them to go on? And, on long trips, join a bunch of them together so that you only need one motor and driver for a load of them travelling in a convoy? I bet you could make freight transport a lot more efficient if you did that.
@david_chisnall Very Disruption! Much Innovate! wow
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It sounds as if electric trucks are great for long-range land transport. But they require heavy batteries, so rather than putting them on the road (where they'll damage the road surface), why don't we build special metal tracks for them to go on? And, on long trips, join a bunch of them together so that you only need one motor and driver for a load of them travelling in a convoy? I bet you could make freight transport a lot more efficient if you did that.
What a concept! /s
They usually require multiple motors, depending upon load, however.
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It sounds as if electric trucks are great for long-range land transport. But they require heavy batteries, so rather than putting them on the road (where they'll damage the road surface), why don't we build special metal tracks for them to go on? And, on long trips, join a bunch of them together so that you only need one motor and driver for a load of them travelling in a convoy? I bet you could make freight transport a lot more efficient if you did that.
@david_chisnall a remarkable evolution of the thinking may be had by the following insight: you can save on battery mass by delivering electricity along the predictable paths the vehicles take, thus even further lowering running costs, and even increasing the power available! in this essay i will
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It sounds as if electric trucks are great for long-range land transport. But they require heavy batteries, so rather than putting them on the road (where they'll damage the road surface), why don't we build special metal tracks for them to go on? And, on long trips, join a bunch of them together so that you only need one motor and driver for a load of them travelling in a convoy? I bet you could make freight transport a lot more efficient if you did that.
@david_chisnall Uday Schultz has written extensively and persuasively about this, and why the perverse financial incentives of the operators ensure that we have worse intermodal freight service now than we did forty years ago.
