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  3. AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

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  • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

    AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

    nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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    @petergleick I guess the *claim* is that it can supposedly come up with some method of doing something to fix things. Putting aside for just a moment that that isn't actually going to work, LLMs certainly aren't "smart" enough (or, uh, thinking at all, but whatevs) to come up with something like that anyway. So it falls apart on its own. But, as you say, the *true* issue is that those at the top are all being bribed/already part of those who profit off of fossil fuels.

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    • mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nlM mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nl

      @petergleick Then let's ask it to fix that problem instead 🙂

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      @McHollander @petergleick It still can't. AI doesn't exist. LLMs can't think. And the mechanism never ever under any circumstances no matter how much it is developed ever will.

      But we don't really need a LLM to produce the answer there. The answer is simple: they should all be out of a career. (Not a job. A career.)

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      • nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social

        @McHollander @petergleick It still can't. AI doesn't exist. LLMs can't think. And the mechanism never ever under any circumstances no matter how much it is developed ever will.

        But we don't really need a LLM to produce the answer there. The answer is simple: they should all be out of a career. (Not a job. A career.)

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        @nazokiyoubinbou @petergleick Good. Well done. I'm glad that's solved. Hurray, we saved the world.

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        • mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nlM mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nl

          @nazokiyoubinbou @petergleick Good. Well done. I'm glad that's solved. Hurray, we saved the world.

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          @McHollander @petergleick The problematic part is: we have to actually *do* it... We have to actually remove them from power and refuse to vote them in, etc. The solution is easy. Doing it... not so much.

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          • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

            AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

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            @petergleick

            I've said it before...

            "Hey AI, solve our climate and political problems."

            "Sure thing. Decarbonize the power grid, and tax billionaires until they are merely multi millionaires. Use the money for social programs like providing food, shelter, transportation and medical care to everyone."

            "No, not like that."

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            • nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social

              @McHollander @petergleick The problematic part is: we have to actually *do* it... We have to actually remove them from power and refuse to vote them in, etc. The solution is easy. Doing it... not so much.

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              @nazokiyoubinbou @petergleick You're just confusing the end goal and the solution. The solution is not the same thing as the end goal and it's usually more complicated and requires thinking, strategy and working to achieve it in combinations of small and big increments on various fronts with the end goal in mind.

              Like the christian fanatics have done to make their christofascism a reality in the states.

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              • mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nlM mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nl

                @nazokiyoubinbou @petergleick You're just confusing the end goal and the solution. The solution is not the same thing as the end goal and it's usually more complicated and requires thinking, strategy and working to achieve it in combinations of small and big increments on various fronts with the end goal in mind.

                Like the christian fanatics have done to make their christofascism a reality in the states.

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                @McHollander @petergleick What are you even trying to do here?

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                • nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social

                  @McHollander @petergleick What are you even trying to do here?

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                  @nazokiyoubinbou @petergleick I was once sitting at a table with an actual member of parliament debating how to get to the goal of less air traffic. Member of parliament: listening. Boomer at the table going: the government just needs to do X, refusing to do any thinking about steps that would get us in that direction.

                  You remind me of that guy.

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                  • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                    AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

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                    @petergleick you look so cute. Mr Peter.

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                    • mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nlM mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nl

                      @nazokiyoubinbou @petergleick I was once sitting at a table with an actual member of parliament debating how to get to the goal of less air traffic. Member of parliament: listening. Boomer at the table going: the government just needs to do X, refusing to do any thinking about steps that would get us in that direction.

                      You remind me of that guy.

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                      @McHollander @petergleick So just going for an ad hominem then?

                      Why even? You're taking this weirdly personally.

                      You aren't a fossil fuel lobbyist or something are you? What are you trying to do here? Seriously. You still didn't answer that particular question, just moved to attack.

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